Thanks fer the comeback there Chucktx .
No , my clutches are not in an oil bath ,
I have good clutch release, stock original springs , and yes they are set correctly per the manual.
No, the clutch plates and discs are not burnt or worn , they are old

however and I do plan on replacing but not because they are worn or burnt .I am using the HD issue shop manual about $42 worth..
i believe i found my problem;

while pulling my plates out again I noticed the last two plates were hanging up on the clutch studs due to some rust and oxidation so when I get up today I gonna give it a good clean job and the clutchs should release and take me thundering down the road!

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thank again for the input Chuck!!