[Hdtractor1]

Just wanted post a progressive note on a 08 Streetglide/Touring

Many people I asked after I put Vance& Hines Long Shot Duels on my bike with Screaming Eagle Stage 1 Air Filter kit and the Vnace & Hines Fuel-Pak that the Power Commander 3 would do a much better job with poping/cracking and performance.

I replaced the Vance & Hines Fuel-Pak over the weekend with a Power Commander 3 module,Mo-fuel set the power commander up for me after I advised them what pipes and air filter I had currently installed on my scoot.After riding the scoot today I see no difference from the V&H fuel-pak.Just wanted to up date all before you go upgarde your Vance&Hines Fuel-pak or have not made a decsion on what module to use yet. May save others a little $$$ from this post.One advantage I do have is the usb port on the Power Commander 3 will allow me to update the module from time to time where the V&H will not.

[00 wildglide]

JMO,
If your comparison of the two is consisting of the PC-III w/a down loaded map from the web site,then I would agree about not feeling much change.The PC-III has a lot of tuning advantages over the Fuel-pak unfortunately a Dyno is the only way to get the most out of it.I ran my '07-FLHTi with the web site map when had the T-header exh.&big sucker a/c.The bike ran fairly well,but I knew it had a little more.I did have it dynoed after I changed the cams(Andrews 37h).I'm now a full believer in tuning by dyno(even if it meant some sorry lunches for a while ).00 wildglide

[skull2007]

that popping and farting is the result of not enough back pressure.

[Red Rider]

I'm gonna second the motion that dyno tuning is the way to go for ya. You've already spent the $$ for the mapping tools (PCIII). Spend the 80 bucks or so for the dyno run/tune. Not only will you LIKELY get a better tuned bike, you'll also get that lovely brag sheet about how your bike is running - kinda like an EKG for it. Gives ya something to compare to later, too, if you thin it is falling off in performance.

[Hdtractor1]

Sound like I need to make an appointment at the stealer and have the bike tuned on the dyno.Makes sense since I already have all the rest completed.
Thanks for the input from all.

[hotroadking]

Before you make your appointment at the dealer I'd check around for who's the best PC tuner in the area, just because it's a dealer doesn't mean they can or will tune the PC properly,

Some do but more are likely to load a canned map read the power output and hand you bill and a report.

A good PC tuner will take 2 to 3 hours to properly tune the bike.

Be sure everything is in good working order tuners are not mechanics and don't want to spend time replacing exhaust gaskets or intake seals.

[DKIN21]

I Agree The Pciii Is Much Better Than The Fuel-pak But U Do Need To Have A Good Tech Dyno It. The Fuel Pak Was Not Much Better Than Stock Mine Was Running Very Lean And Hot On Back Cylinder, It Was Quick And Was Getting 49 To 51 Mpg, Pciii Cooled It Down Some Milage Went To 45/48 Mpg Riding Two Up Most Of The Time. Also Changed Baffels From V&h To Big City Thunder New Qc Baffell, They Brought Hp And Torque Up Some, Need To Have It Remapped And Should Bring Hp And Torque More. But Going To Wait Until I Sell The Low Rider Than Install Andrews Cams, Should Put Hp Over 100 And Torque Well Over 110, The Cams In These 110 Ci Are Not Worth What They Are Made Of.

Dkin21

Live Easy, Ride Hard

[skull2007]

just wondering. how much do you guys pay for one of these dynos

[skull2007]

Originally Posted by skull2007

just wondering. how much do you guys pay for one of these dynos

probley the most recommended thing on this forum. as important as they are it would be nice to know are much these cost. anybody know? i'll bet you can get a really good deal on one. that way your bike will run perfect in every way

[Slimjim]

I think the local dealer charges $90 per hour for dyno tuning.

[DKIN21]

Originally Posted by skull2007

probley the most recommended thing on this forum. as important as they are it would be nice to know are much these cost. anybody know? i'll bet you can get a really good deal on one. that way your bike will run perfect in every way

KNOXVILLE H-D CHARGES 83.00/hour, JUST HAD ONE RUN SATURDAY

[hotroadking]

For a proper tuned Powercommander dyno you can expect to see three hours of work.

If they roll it on the dyno make three pulls load a map and hand you a print out it's not been properly tuned.

SERT can take longer about 4 hours.

So you're looking at $300 to $400

That is why the Zippers Thundermax ECM system with wideband o2 sensors and auto tune is really cheap when it comes down to the bottom line

It runs about $650 to $700 depending on where you buy the unit

Compare it to $300 for a pc3rusb and $300 for one tune and you're even, except

The thundermax continues to adjust and tune the bike, and if you change cams, pipes, whatever down the road the thundermax autotunes it in.

Either way one or the other is best a dyno tune is the only way to get the bike dialed in properly

[fujimo]

hotrod,,,you are about rite,,,dyno here is 125.00 per hr,,,, so do rite about 250 to 300,,,,but the zipper here is 1000.00 installed,,,, have to drill and weld sensors in,,,, but should be dynoed after it is installed,,,,than will operate on its own,,,, man says he can weld my ceramic bassanis,,,, i think they will chip after,,, so wont do,,, what do you think,,,pops

[Hdtractor1]

So if you have a stock bike except for the pipes and stage 1 air filter kit...how much difference will be in performance if you do not run the dyno?

I had a little hesitation and sputtering with the Vance & Hines Fuel module.With the Power commander 3 I have no hesitation or sputtering now.But performance is about the same and it does seem to run a liitle cooler.But with my personal size I would not out perform the average bike the same as mine since my scoot would be pulling more weight.

I think the PC3 has actually achieved what I set out to do (but from what all I read I expected big performance difference over the V&H Mod.).Some day I may put real goodies in the motor that will haul my big ass much better down the road ...lol....

[skull2007]

called the local steeler about 350.00

[Hdtractor1]

Update....I got a little different map from Vance& Hines for my Vance & Hines Fuel pak.I took off the power Commander 3 which was not doing well at all on my bike and put the V&H pak back on,plugged back in my 02's and the bike runs perfectly smooth with no cutting out on low rpm,s.
I put the PC3 on E-bay and hope no one runs a PC3 on an 08. I Will probably loose 100 bucks on the PC 3......live and learn and POST so it will save some one else the cost!!