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Sep 9th, 2004, 01:34 PM
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#1 | | Newbie
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| Thanks for the suggestions. I went home and hooked up the battery to a charger. The charger had a special switch for starting a dead engine. When I flipped the switch and more power was sent into the bike, it started with no problem. Funny thing, I just bought that battery. Anyway, what specs should I look for when buying a battery? 1.8, 1.4 ...some even show 2.0 . What is the highest output that I should get without frying out the electrical system?
-Justin |
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Sep 9th, 2004, 02:11 PM
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#2 | | Administrator Has posted 500+
Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Tucson AZ
Posts: 1,552 Interests: Fishing, wood working, flipping off Fred Fox Occupation: Founder of Bike Talk....retired and lovin' it
| Woah, stop the wagons for a minute here.
Let's look at it logically so you do not throw parts at it until you stumble across the fix.
You just bought a battery right? Was it a quality battery or $39.99 special? Was it a YB16B Yumicron / YTX20H-BS series? Unless you have a bad battery or boiled it dry, if it is dead, the problem is not the battery but the charging system or, you drained it trying to start the bike without recharging.
Trouble shooting problems is a process of elimination. For electrical problems, you need a fully charged and servicable battery and you will want to have a charger handy. Without going into a ton of detail, the starter circuit is two separate circuits. The relay and the solenoid. Battery power is applied to the start switch and when pressed it sends power to the relay which closes and the battery power on it's normally open contacts sending power to the solenoid. The solenoid closes putting battery voltage to the starter. If any of these circuit are mariginal, wiring bad, frayed or the battery cables are original it will cause problems. The 89 to 93 starters were some of the best because the gear ratio was good and the gear reduction starters are far better than what we had before.
Before you think starter problems, figure out what the battery is dead. The are numerous threads about trouble shooting charging systems you can find by using the search box above.
BTW, the best tool you can buy is the service manual. It has all the information you will need to trouble shoot. |
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Apr 18th, 2008, 07:25 PM
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#3 | | Very Active Poster 50+
Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Palo Alto, CA
Posts: 81 Model: Harley FLHS 1989 Interests: Food plants, bee keeping, working on any machine, guns, going for a ride! Occupation: NOC tech
| Ah, a revived thread. Thanks CD on the battery tender(other thread), I have ordered 2, one for the bike and one for my "toy car/(Fiero)".
And Chucktx reminded me that a lot of batteries last only about 2 seasons because of the way they are used (Yet another thread ). Read "used" as battery abuse; short trips, long cranking after being parked for a week, and stored most of winter.
My bike was the worst to start and seemed to be getting worse. Cranking a long time, backfiring, etcetera, maybe slower and slower than before. I had been keeping it on a slow charger after it started cranking to a non starting try. My buddy said, here jump it from my car; vroom, it started instantly  . Slow crank = non start for my HOG.
I am picking up a battery the beginning of next week.  |
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Apr 18th, 2008, 07:37 PM
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#4 | | Moderator Has posted 500+
Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 1,095 Model: 2004 E Glide Standard, Stage 1. Interests: Riding, fishing, hunting, camping, spending time with wife and daughter Occupation: Air Force Nurse
| My battery is the the factory stock from when I bought my bike.....got the bike Dec 03 (it is an 04 modle), and has over 27K on it...... Still doing good! Now, with that being said, first time I have a problem, battery will be the FIRST place I look!  |
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Apr 21st, 2008, 07:23 PM
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#5 | | Very Active Poster 50+
Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Palo Alto, CA
Posts: 81 Model: Harley FLHS 1989 Interests: Food plants, bee keeping, working on any machine, guns, going for a ride! Occupation: NOC tech
| Surprise on price, support you dealer, I have been treated well by my dealer and I have felt like a needed customer. Redwood City, CA
Kragens'( same as Checkers I believe) $137 not in stock
Dealer $97, in stock. |
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Apr 24th, 2008, 09:20 PM
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#6 | | Very Active Poster 50+
Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Palo Alto, CA
Posts: 81 Model: Harley FLHS 1989 Interests: Food plants, bee keeping, working on any machine, guns, going for a ride! Occupation: NOC tech
| Old battery 2003 so, 5 years is not really that bad but, the failure of sh1itty starting is a p3sser. It would crank for maybe 7 times without starting and then start failing to crank over  . Starts fine with the new battery  . Confusing....I am thinking, fail to start, jump it from the car and know that it is not a current issue, always. |
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Apr 25th, 2008, 09:46 AM
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#7 | | Has posted 500+
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| I'm Like Afnurse, Have The Original Batt. From My O3' Even From Sitting For 4-5 Winters Now, And I Only Basicly Ride To Work And Back, Total Of Less Than 10 Miles, Still Fires Up Good, Even This Year After Sitting 7 Months, It Only Took About 4 Cranks To Get Her Fired Up. So If It Ever Dies, I'll Go Buy The Same Batt. From The Dealership, If It Will Work Good This Long, It Will Be Worth The Money. |
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Apr 25th, 2008, 10:24 AM
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#8 | | 200+ posts and climbing
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Posts: 306 Model: '68 FLH, '99FB,'02 RK Interests: riding,custom paint, pinstriping. Occupation: retired
| Ditto sportsterboy. I replaced my 02 Road King battery early this year. I replaced it with the same Harley Battery. For the price anytime I get 6 years service I consider it a real bargin. My battery gave me fair warning it cranked slow and still started the bike but thats when I replaced it the next day. Al |
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Apr 25th, 2008, 05:10 PM
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#9 | | Very Active Poster 50+
Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Palo Alto, CA
Posts: 81 Model: Harley FLHS 1989 Interests: Food plants, bee keeping, working on any machine, guns, going for a ride! Occupation: NOC tech
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Originally Posted by Ultra Al Ditto sportsterboy. I replaced my 02 Road King battery early this year. I replaced it with the same Harley Battery. For the price anytime I get 6 years service I consider it a real bargin. My battery gave me fair warning it cranked slow and still started the bike but thats when I replaced it the next day. Al | Ultra Al is smarter than average, I will listen closely to cranking speed. |
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Apr 26th, 2008, 09:15 AM
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#10 | | Has posted 500+
Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: spokane
Posts: 882 Model: 03 883 XLC-CHOPPER Occupation: welder
| Since Where On Batteries, Can You Jump Your Bike With Cables From A Car? Will The Bike Still Run If You Disconect The Battery Like A Car? |
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Apr 26th, 2008, 07:37 PM
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#11 | | Moderator Has posted 500+
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| yes you can jump start a bike with an automotive battery, just be carefull!!!!!
i think that the alt,systems require voltage from the battery to charge/supply power.....................  |
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Apr 26th, 2008, 07:40 PM
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#12 | | Moderator Has posted 500+
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| one other thing, if an alternator is charging, with no place to send the current, it will overload and burn up.................  |
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Apr 26th, 2008, 11:06 PM
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#13 | | Very Active Poster 50+
Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Earlville, NY
Posts: 85 Model: Harley-Davidson FXDX Interests: riding my hog Occupation: factory worker
| my battery lasted about four years, one day i went to start the bike and nothing. it was parked next to the boat so i jump started it from there. had no cash but a wallyworld chargecard, so it know has a wallyworld battery in it been working good so far and was $67. as far as your alternater it is a permanet magnet type, it don't need a battery to make juice. i don't think you would burn out any thing if you ran with out a battery. you will not get a very well regulated current flow. it would blow bulbs and fuses when you rev it up and the lights would be very dim at an idle. not recommended.
Last edited by fxdxriderleo : Apr 26th, 2008 at 11:15 PM.
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