[hookvnv]

can anyone give me advice on these pipes .do they sound good perform good ? i have the v&h pro hs pipe but dont like the look of two into one.thank you ......hook

[DeathWind]

Hooker Pipes??????

I had a set of Hooker's Step-tuned Race Style Short Staggered Pipes on a 2001 Dyna Super Glide. I also went with the 1 7/8" muffler core and HSR42 with yost power tube. I loved the sound and performance of these pipes. For a stock 88", it was very quick and had very strong pull through the entire
rpm range.

The 1st set of pipes I used was V&H Big Shots (before they came out with powerchamber). I removed and sold them after three days. They were obnoxious and I lost low/mid range performance. With all the other pipes I have heard, I still liked the look and sound of the Hooker pipes better(but each to his own opinion). I installed the Hookers and wouldn't have traded them for any other set. I lightly used mothers chrome polish on them when they got something on them and they still looked brand new after 4.5 years.

Another reply from that post:

Originally Posted by bikerbob

I had the V&H Big shots and had all the carb work done plus the dyno slide. I just didn't like the sound of the big shots. I really like the sound of the Hooker's, just don't know about the performance.

Thanks

[CD]

The V&H Big Shot with Power Chamber is nowhere near the same design as the original Big Shots. I wish they had created a new name for them as it confuses a lot of people still. The original Big Shots were short drag type pipes and killed low end like 99% of that type exhaust. will do.

The Power Chamber acts just like a cross over in a street car. It helps extract the pulses from the next exhaust stroke. They are not 2-1 and do not perform as well but, in most cases they will out perform most drag pipes.

Hooker is a good option but bear in mind it does not come with baffles and you must use some or suffer the typical drag pipe reversion issues.

[ridehard95]

If you want good torque and a stady pull then THUNDER HEADER is what you need 2 in 1 for true performance they seam to work real good and show there prof on the dyno

[jason]

i put a set of vance and hines big shot staggerds w-power chamber on my 2001 heritage and with the computer down load and a screamin eagle stage one air cleaner it is a totally different bike than a bone stock and sounds bad to the bone, i don't like the slappin poppin of drag pipes and mine is a deep rumble and people do know your coming down the road::

[ridehard95]

Drag pipes on a Harley Davidson street bike is all wrong .Drag pipes are great for Hi RPMs and wide open. but on the street all they do is make nosie. I see a lot of guys put S&S carb hot spark and a cam shaft that has to much lift and a long duration and set of drag pipes . Most Harley's need good low end torque you know the kind you can feel in the bottom of your butt when you twist the wick. Drag pipes will hurt your performance. Thats why I like the thunder header its for low end torque and it sounds great. You should be fine with your new pipes its all in what your looking to get out of your ride . the most import in thing you can do is research and don't always believe what you read. the biker world has changed over the past 15 to 20 years at a out standing rate. And every Buddy's is on the band wagon trying to sell there parts that they say you need.the price of speed ain't cheap by know means. But can be achieved with a lot less then they want you to believe. Heavy bikes need low end torque there is no way around it. Bigger is not always better in fact in most cases it hurts you more then it helps you.Ex sample I have a 95 flht with S&S carb good hot spark thunder header and a set of 1200 sportster heads reworked to fit my 1340cc with a cam shaft that was made to match the heads. Stock lifters and rockers the heads where opened up and a little shaved off them. The bike is crazy fast 2nd gear it smokes the tire 3rd gear a foot of rubber we are talking a DAM bagger LOL . think of a 40 foot wide river flowing into a 10 foot wide stream. when the water comes out the other end of the stream its moving with a lot of force. cylinder fill is what you need to make power or at least fool your motor and make it think its getting all the air it needs. Heads on a flow bench with big numbers don't mean nothing in less you have a drag bike

[CD]

Originally Posted by ridehard95

Drag pipes on a Harley Davidson street bike is all wrong .Drag pipes are great for Hi RPMs and wide open. but on the street all they do is make nosie. I see a lot of guys put S&S carb hot spark and a cam shaft that has to much lift and a long duration and set of drag pipes . Most Harley's need good low end torque you know the kind you can feel in the bottom of your butt when you twist the wick. Drag pipes will hurt your performance. Thats why I like the thunder header its for low end torque and it sounds great. You should be fine with your new pipes its all in what your looking to get out of your ride . the most import in thing you can do is research and don't always believe what you read. the biker world has changed over the past 15 to 20 years at a out standing rate. And every Buddy's is on the band wagon trying to sell there parts that they say you need.the price of speed ain't cheap by know means. But can be achieved with a lot less then they want you to believe. Heavy bikes need low end torque there is no way around it. Bigger is not always better in fact in most cases it hurts you more then it helps you.Ex sample I have a 95 flht with S&S carb good hot spark thunder header and a set of 1200 sportster heads reworked to fit my 1340cc with a cam shaft that was made to match the heads. Stock lifters and rockers the heads where opened up and a little shaved off them. The bike is crazy fast 2nd gear it smokes the tire 3rd gear a foot of rubber we are talking a DAM bagger LOL . think of a 40 foot wide river flowing into a 10 foot wide stream. when the water comes out the other end of the stream its moving with a lot of force. cylinder fill is what you need to make power or at least fool your motor and make it think its getting all the air it needs. Heads on a flow bench with big numbers don't mean nothing in less you have a drag bike

For the most part, I agree with you. Bear in mind that the Big Shot power chamber is not a typical drag pipe. The chamber works much like an X-gas chamber used on street cars. It was designed using the same techniques they used to help develop the V-Rod exhaust. When the VTX1800 Honda was first released V&H developed a typical Long Shot style exhaust. When they tested it, the bike fell on it's face. The original Big Shot Power Chamber was released for the VTX1800 Honda. In our testing, the reversion hole (which is what causes the power loss in the low end) was no worse than several 2-1's we've tested including the Pro-pipe and T-header. The curves were very similar but, the 2-1 was stronger over all.

A well designed cylinder head can do wonders for a street motor. If the head is modified or designed with CFM and Velocity being equally important. Back when we used to build some pretty decent EVO's we used Branch heads. I used to speak with Jerry and he could really bend your ear about flow, velocity etc. Like you said, big CFM without good velocity doesn't work well on the street. A well thought out head, correct cam choice that as you said gives the best cylinder fill will give you a major power boost.

[ridehard95]

Originally Posted by CD

For the most part, I agree with you. Bear in mind that the Big Shot power chamber is not a typical drag pipe. The chamber works much like an X-gas chamber used on street cars. It was designed using the same techniques they used to help develop the V-Rod exhaust. When the VTX1800 Honda was first released V&H developed a typical Long Shot style exhaust. When they tested it, the bike fell on it's face. The original Big Shot Power Chamber was released for the VTX1800 Honda. In our testing, the reversion hole (which is what causes the power loss in the low end) was no worse than several 2-1's we've tested including the Pro-pipe and T-header. The curves were very similar but, the 2-1 was stronger over all.

A well designed cylinder head can do wonders for a street motor. If the head is modified or designed with CFM and Velocity being equally important. Back when we used to build some pretty decent EVO's we used Branch heads. I used to speak with Jerry and he could really bend your ear about flow, velocity etc. Like you said, big CFM without good velocity doesn't work well on the street. A well thought out head, correct cam choice that as you said gives the best cylinder fill will give you a major power boost.

CD I agree with you about the big shots I was just making a comment about Drag pipes you know the ones you can buy for $69 LOL and you know there are a lot of guys out there buying them up looking for power because they are called Drag pipes LOL

[CD]

Originally Posted by ridehard95

CD I agree with you about the big shots I was just making a comment about Drag pipes you know the ones you can buy for $69 LOL and you know there are a lot of guys out there buying them up looking for power because they are called Drag pipes LOL

Them $69.95 Drag pipes don't cut 2 seconds off my light to light ET? Dang I am dissapointed.....

[hookvnv]

i would like to thank everyone for all the feed backon the pipes.....hey cd thank u for the insight,iordered the bigshots friday from dp. hook

[hotroadking]

You got good advice, and you probably will see a drop in low end tq, maybe only on the dyno will you really see it but it will be there to some extent, 2-1's are the best on the vtwins for power.

Interesting on my 116 I was told the thunderheader couldn't handle the motor and it did it very well with plenty of power, the Bassani Road rage (true dual stepped headers) lost 10 HP and 15 tq over the thunderheader.

Right now I have a D&D boarzilla as the motors being punched out to a 124 and at that point the boarzilla should really help.

[ridehard95]

I have a 1995 flht 1340 with a set of 1995 1200 sportster heads on it that where done by a good friend of mine. He is old school been truning wrenchs on Harleys for more then 40 years .The heads have had a lot of work done to them and he told me that they would give me more low end torque and make my bike go like stink and he was right its fast as hell. they had the stock vaules and a better spring and had been ported and shaved a little .What makes the sportster heads work so will on a 1340 any one know CD will tell me