[FlynDutchman]

Today April 11th 2007 it is Snowing...Average highs for this date in Chicagoland...mid 50's...Where exactly is this warming ?? Somebody's got to explain to me why if the meteorologist's cant predict the weather next week correctly, I should believe they know what its gonna be like 30 years from now ?

I just wanna ride my bike....maybe I should move to Florida!

[Ted]

I found the global warming It was 90 in Sebastian Florida.My ears got sun burned. If you come down keep Florida Green bring money. Later Ole Ted

[AFNurse]

we had sunshine and 81 here in San Antonio!!!

[mwelych]

Was in the 80's for a week then hit the 50's and 40's and now going back to the 70's and 80's. Yes there is global warming. Just go to Antactica or the North Pole and you'll see it.

[FlynDutchman]

Originally Posted by mwelych

Was in the 80's for a week then hit the 50's and 40's and now going back to the 70's and 80's. Yes there is global warming. Just go to Antactica or the North Pole and you'll see it.

I dunno.....Theres a group of big lakes just to the east of me that were created the last time the earth warmed up & glaciers melted......Snow again today!

Im gonna lose my ever lovin mind

[Clem]

There's a theory about the weather...Predicting the weather is a means of steering the thought patterns of the population and, taking into consideration the idea of mind over matter; if you get enough people thinking that it is going to rain - it probably will. The problem today with predicting the weather is that it is very rarely correct because most people either don't care, didn't hear the prediction or (the best one) there aren't enough brains left among the population to think in one direction about anything, much less the weather! So, that's why the weather is so screwed up!

Another thing.. Just 15 or 20 years ago these sooth sayers about the world were screaming that a new ice age was coming. What happened to that? The money dried up on that one so now we are heading for a global warm up, as if these clowns actually know. It's a money thing....

Bill C.

[chucktx]

hey!!!!!! gore's internet is still working!!!!!

[Slimjim]

Speaking of the ice age. I wonder if global warming cleared those glaciers out of Colorado. Maybe dinosaur farts were pretty potent. It may be that the temperature of the earth naturally cycles. Humans haven't been here long enough to know for sure.

[2fastnaz]

Yep I agree with slimjim. For one if it weren't for global warming we'd all still be living in the ice age. For 2 man has been able to get highly accurate readings for what maybe 50 or 60 years??. That doesn't give enough data when your dealing with thousands of years of earth history. I think, just like every thing else in nature it's cyclicle (sp)

[FlynDutchman]

Ahhhh......finally! 80 degrees today!!

[Tomflhrci98]

Whether there's global warming or not, I like the fact that this country tries hard to clean up things. When Lake Erie started on fire we cleaned it up. When you couldn't breath in LA we cleaned it up, etc. Take a look at India and China today. They are going to have a hard time for a long time. ALL their lakes and rivers are unfit for a dog and they plan to build 800 more cool burning plants. Thank God we don't live there.

My practical side of my mind keeps telling me that it has to be good to lessen how much oil we burn if we can and recycle trash and all that stuff.

Remember - Save water, drink beer.

[mwelych]

You are right about the cyclic weather patterns, but thre real problem is the inordinate increase in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases. These are the gases that will retain the heat that the sun emits onto our planet, instead of allowing it to escape. Venus is a good example of the greenhouse effect gone wild. We may never get as bad as Venus, but you have to realize we are doing our part to f--- up this planet!!! P.S. Not a tree hugger, just a science teacher who knows about the information that is out there about this topic.

[Red Rider]

I guess that one rover we sent to Mars has spewed a few billion metric tons of CO2 also, as Mars' poles are shrinking too from their global warming.

IT"S THE SUN!

[GreyBear]

There is a saying in the con game that in order for a sting to work, you have to give the mark some real facts. Pure 100% bull seldom works. But when you take some facts, omit a few here or there, get creative with the way others are told....you can do some serious manipulation.
As far as the global warming/sky is falling gloom and doom...I don't buy it. As far as we sure as hell do have to start now to take care of some problems, that is, to my way of thinking, a given. I am not a science teacher or a scientist just a old biker that has seen a lot of things change. We do need to reduce our dependency on fossil fuels for all sorts of reasons. Maybe greenhouse gases and the like are part of that, I leave that for the scientists to figure out. But the majority of fossil fuels are located in places that hate our guts and use them as leverage against us. So to me that is plenty of reason to seek alternatives. Personally I would LOVE to see several countries I can think of say "Crap, what we gonna do with this gunk? Nobody wants it anymore." Yeah, make oil as worthless as Confederate money. I know that in a lot of places you could breathe fresh air 30 or 40 years ago...now ya have yellow crap all over your windshield in the morning and sometimes ya cant see the sky for the smog. Our cities keep spreading out, laying more concrete so we have concrete instead of earth. If you think that doesnt trap heat, just ride out from a city into the country and feel the temperature difference.
As usual the problem is polarization of kooks. On one side we have the chicken littles that say the sky is falling...on the other we have people that swear NOTHING is wrong. And as usual the solution will come from the sane in the middle that get things done.
A lot of it comes from pure propaganda. And no one asks the whys. For instance: 15 years ago I realized that eating a lot of chemicals I couldn't pronounce and things sprayed with pesticides wasn't a great idea. At the time "organic" wasn't a catch phrase and was both hard to find and expensive. Now it's everywhere but no one asks why, if you could have produced all this organically and make it economically viable now..why haven't you been doing it all along? And why is something that is purer and closer to it's original state (ie LESS processing involved, hence less energy and labor costs) more expensive than the labor intensive highly processed?
So to me it isn't whether global warming is a valid concept or not. It is if we continue as we are doing now will we be able to sustain things in another 30, 40, 50 years. I was raised with the old concept: if you break it fix it, if you dirty it clean it up. I figure we owe it to our grandkids to do just that.

Ride Free.......

[Red Rider]

The thing that gets me about this whole charade of global warming is that the concept that carbon dioxide is now the evil villian. But what do plants need to live? Friggin' CO2! See, we in the US have largely (not completely) eliminated REAL bad emissions that do harm the environment. So let's create a new one so we can still feel guilty and pay more while the elite fly around in private jets (yeah, I'm talking to you, Al Gore, you friggin hypocrite).

I"ve been to China, a real polluted wasteland. Like all commie countries, where the incentive to do your best and succeed is destroyed. Do the Global Warming acolytes (it is a religion, after all) EVER call for China to clean up their act? No, it is the Evil USAs fault.

And by the way, do you have any idea the harm that those Chinese-produced (none made in USA - not safe for our environment) compact flourescent light bulbs will do? They have mercury in them. Break one in your home and pray no children are near, or will be for the next 100,000 years or so.

Let the plants breathe!

[mwelych]

You are aware that the rainforest in the amazon region is being cut down at the rate of 3 football fields a second, right. You are aware that that that particular rainforest is responsible for consuming 30% of the world's carbon dioxide, right? Now just how are we supposed to replace all those trees when as Greybear said that cities are expanding and concreting more and more earth that would house say an acre of trees? Didn't think of that one I bet.

[Red Rider]

The rain forest depredation is a concern, but that same rainforest damage is partially mitigated by the rapid plant growth from the crops sewn there. Even then, phytoplankton is a far greater factor than rainforests. And forestation in North America greatly exceeds pre-1600 levels. But let's not get off the subject of CO2 being the latest "problem".

Follow this link and be enlightened: An experiment that hints we are wrong on climate change-News-UK-TimesOnline

The question of the day: when the global cooling starts (inevitable, as solar radiation is far from being a constant), will you pay me to drive my Chevy Silverado repeatedly around the block to increase "greenhouse" gasses?

[FlynDutchman]

Originally Posted by mwelych

You are right about the cyclic weather patterns, but thre real problem is the inordinate increase in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases. These are the gases that will retain the heat that the sun emits onto our planet, instead of allowing it to escape. Venus is a good example of the greenhouse effect gone wild. We may never get as bad as Venus, but you have to realize we are doing our part to f--- up this planet!!! P.S. Not a tree hugger, just a science teacher who knows about the information that is out there about this topic.

I'll just hold my breath then.....anyway, now we find out that trees give off methane and that the polar ice caps were once tropical regions based on fossil evidence, so what made em go cold ? What made the glaciers retract to form the great lakes ?? It all happened millions of years before we came along ....Hmmmm

[voodoochild]

Whew, you guys are makin my head hurt! All this thinkin and stuff...... Just messin with you guys that's all, and NO I don't have an opinion on the subject, I don't know enough about it. Although I do know in Jersey, if you own a farm or any stretch of land more than 200' wide they will try to buy it from you and put 10 houses on it.....

[Clem]

Humans; the worst plague the earth has ever seen...It's time for a clean-up!