[ringo912]

With all the bullsh** going on in this country with illegals, terrorists and the government trying stick it up the a** of the true Americans, how far off is revolution? Maybe they think if they get all of our guns, then all we'll have left to make a stand with is rakes and shovels. So I say, come on down, I can show them a new meaning for getting the lead out of their a**.

[Slimjim]

The incident in Virginia today adds fuel to the gun ban fire. Watch for the cries to pass more laws to make it harder for law abiding folks to buy a gun. It's already against the law to go out and kill people and that didn't stop this nut. More laws are not the answer......it's time to fully enforce the laws we have and put felons who use guns in their crimes under the jail. Just my two cents.
As you can tell, I'm kinda wishy-washy on this subject.

[Red Rider]

Coyotes would get fat on the dead if real disarmament like that stuff overseas were tried in Nevada.

I'm a long time NRA member and free-thinkin', cigar-smokin' kind of guy, but I may have a different take on the ban of "assault weapons". I'm all for restricting REAL assualt weapons (i.e. - automatic fire, indiscriminate collateral damage possibilities like grenades, SAMs or other big bangers). I generally think that if the time comes that I'll need an M-4 or an AK, I'll just line up a poor SOB that is carrying one in my scope & get his.

[stevenh]

Originally Posted by Slimjim

The incident in Virginia today adds fuel to the gun ban fire. Watch for the cries to pass more laws to make it harder for law abiding folks to buy a gun.

Yeah, but it's too bad somebody else didn't have a gun to shoot this nutjob with. Guess it would be unlikely on a campus.

[Geeza]

You guys are SO right to protect every right you have.

The pinko government here have banned all handguns except 22LR calibre target pistols, any kind of self-loading rifle above 22LR, and even semi-auto shotguns are restricted to 3 shells unless you have a specific permit which is very hard to get. I know so many guys who lost SLRs in 1989 and handguns in 1997 to the crusher – it broke a lot of hearts and took a lot of people out of shooting sports as a result. Even the GB Olympic pistol team have to travel to Switzerland to practise – no surprise that they never win anything, huh?

Every individual rifle I own has to be justified as to the quarry and appropriate calibre. For example, If I’m out after wild boar with my 300WM and take a fox (man that would make a mess tho), and I get caught, I would likely lose my firearms licence completely.

Someone mentioned using rakes and shovels for the revolution. Kinda tongue-in-cheek I guess, but a government think-tank here have predicted major civil uprisings around 2030, as a backlash to racial tensions due to uncontrolled immigration. Even our valid hunting weapons are at risk because of this – the government want the people emasculated so they can’t protect their own rights.

Rant over. Maybe. Thanx

[bikerjim1]

Guys,

Sorry it's taking me so long to respond, but I'm currently trying to re-discover the site that led me to believe that legislation is trying to bring the ban back. There is typed documentation regarding the matter. Bear with me...

[bikerjim1]

Found the link. Haven't had a whole lot of time to look er' over, but still raises the blood pressure.

110th U

[Slimjim]

That's the one I thought you were referring to, BikerJim. They were already talking about it on the news last night on the coverage of the Virginia shooting. That was a very bad situation but taking your and my guns won't solve a thing. I don't know that you'll ever be able to prevent someone like this nut from going off his rocker and shooting up a school.

[bikerjim1]

Well, the bottom line on this situation is, by taking the weapons out of the hands of the LEGITIMATE, RESPONSIBLE owners, they'll only make things worse. Does anyone actually believe that the criminals will willingly turn in their un-registered or stolen weapons? Well, hum.....then if the good citizens turn theirs in, whos left holding?......the dang criminals!
I truly understand why they want to make a move in the direction that they want to, but it really helps to think things all the way through and weigh the pros and cons before you start typing new bills!
Ahhh, I'm just so dang mad about this that I can't hardly type straight!! Gonna take a break and re-gain the composure!

[mwelych]

Well the shooting in Va is definitely going to be fuel to support the gun ban. That is such a bad thing that happened, but the issue becomes "How do we stop future massacres from happening??? You know there will be more, maybe not ttomorrow or the day after, but there will be more. I am not against guns, just against certain people purchasing them.

[Slimjim]

We already have laws concerning background checks but that doesn't stop purchases on the street corner. Bikerjim said it....."Taking up the guns will only make it worst." The college campus is a "no-gun" zone but if someone had a gun in their pocket, they may could have stopped the nut before he went so far. When criminals know their victims are unarmed, it removes that element of fear and they have no mercy. The police cannot be everywhere so they cannot be counted on to protect us in situations like this.

There is a small town near where I live that passed a law several years ago that required every citizen to own a gun. They did it kind of tongue in cheek to counter all these northern cities banning guns. Since the law has been passed, crime has gone down in the town while the cities with the strictest gun laws have the highest crime rate. I don't know if it's a good statistic but for me, I'm keeping mine and I'll have one close by most of the time.
Slim

[voodoochild]

That's good to hear....now I have 2 places I can relocate to, Georgia, and Florida!

[Ted]

When they ban the guns I could get rich. I have a metal lathe and a welder and the no how.I could make parts for do it your selfers ' lets play' Under ground amo from south of key west. no problem. I could sell books on the net. I wonder do any of you remember before the saturday night special the city kids made zip guns with copper tubing a door latch some wood wire and elastic bands. When you are the only person to have a gun the world is in trouble.look what some guys did with some box cutters and a couple of airliners and you got a 9/11. If they had a couple of good old boys with guns on the 2 air planes 9/11 would not have happened. Later Ole Ted

[voodoochild]

too bad the politicians are too stupid to realize that Ted. The world they live in theres no crime, so no need for guns. where WE live, there is crime and guns.....idiots!

[Clem]

I believe that if the professors at VTech had been carrying, that little slimeball would have thought just a bit harder about killing his friends at school. He killed them, not the pistol. The pistol was doing its job, just like the car he drove to the scene.

I want to know why most of the students at VTech appear to be foreign. Don't they let plain old rednecks get an education anymore or do we need only those that are easy to brainwash?

The answer lies in who will do what. Why not outlaw trigger fingers? Now, everyone line up to have your index finger removed....

Bill C.

[bikerjim1]

Clem,

You're right on par with what I'm trying to express, if dude KNEW others on that campus, or any other in this nation could, and probably did possess firearms during the time that his mind's mainspring broke, he may not have done waht he did, or even if he went ahead and went forth with it, would probably not have gotten so many of the poor folks that he did!
In the meantime, what's the Legislature proposing?....more strict gun control!
Think about it, that was a typical school campus, gun free zone...playground for the criminally insane, what's gonna happen when the whole nation becomes a "gun-free zone"? Do they actually believe that with this ban, the criminals will turn in their un-registered or stolen weapons?!!!!!

[2fastnaz]

Originally Posted by voodoochild

That's good to hear....now I have 2 places I can relocate to, Georgia, and Florida!

Ya'll want good gun laws?? Look at AZ. I think it's $125.00 and a 2 day course (1 class room 1 range) you can carry consealed. AZ is a must issue state. Now all of that becomes a mute point when you take into account you don't need no stinking permit to open carry. That's right boys just strap your hogleg on and go where you please. No bars, no banks, no schools or federal buildings but other than that, pack it where you want it. Don't want to jump thru hoops for a permit, hide it with out one. It's only a misdemeanor if you get caught. All in all I don't know of another state this lax. God I love Arizona.

[Clem]

That's not lax, that's good sense! The way it should be....

We all have the right, according to our Constitution to bear arms. That is a very simple issue that was well thought out by the same great minds that wrote the rest of the document - our Constitution. Now we have present day 'geniuses' that believe they know better and are not going to stop until they succeed with their amendments to OUR constitution - it's not theirs! AND, they are the very ones that the constitution protects us from! The Constitution holds all men as created equal....

The Emancipation Proclamation seems to be the present day accepted constitution. Problem is, it doesn't apply to all. The beginning of the larger problem in the US today....

I don't say the 'N' word any more. I spent my time in the military when we were spit at for wearing the uniform and beat-up by the minority race for being white. I work hard for my living and I pay my taxes. What else is asked of people like us? We must concede to every wish that a minority has, we must pay for what happened many generations ago, now we must stand by and watch our living document be taken away from us? This country is in serious trouble....

The lax ones are US! We are going to stand by and watch them amend the Constitution out of existence! Well, NOT ME!!! They (the Mexicans) have decided that it is the duty of all older Americans to die and leave the country to them. The way the present generation appears to believe, the US will not last another generation.... There will be no-one left to care! But they will!

Thanks for the opportunity to express....

[FlynDutchman]

Originally Posted by Slimjim

I know exactly what you mean, Dutch. I throw most of the solicitations away but it's not just scare talk. We've all seen and heard the talk about taking up the guns. That senator Finestine from California and her cronies, Kennedy, Carey, Clinton, etc, have said that if they had their way, they would take them all (guns). I have have quite a few of most types of guns from hunting rifles to skeet shotguns to all kinds of pistols. More than I could ever shoot but I have them and the right to keep them as long as I stay within the law. I also have grandchildren that I hope will want them someday. I don't always agree with the NRA either but as I said earlier, there's not another organization trying to protect our rights as they are. I help them when I can.

Well you know with the kid that went nuts in Va the other day, they are gonna try to make a grab.....Guess its time to put the crowbar in the wallet & part with a few Jacksons

[Red Rider]

Virginia Tech was a target-rich environment for the psycho BECAUSE of gun control. VT does not allow lawful concealed carry students to carry on VT grounds. The Virginia legislature had a chance to compel VT and other universities to allow CC permit holders to continue to carry on campus, but they did not pass the bill. At the time the VT spokesman was happy, saying they would "feel safe" now that they knew CC permit holders weren't going to be carrying on campus. They weren't safer, but the felt they were.

That's the way it is with the liberals - it is all about how one FEELS. Screw reality, the hell with results - does it make one feel better? And the sad thing is they will never admit they were wrong in opposing lawful armed students.

P.S. - Concealed carry in NV is as easy as AZ. Another big plus here is for a weapon to be "illegally" concealed it has to meet a lot stricter criteria than elsewhere, and you can still strap a hogleg on and wear openly in 90% of the state.