[chucktx]

any members in arizona?????



In Arizona it is legal to burn an American Flag but illegal to burn the Mexican flag...what the hell...

City sued for preventing Mexican flag-burning
Activist says authorities conspired to prevent his legal protests

A protester who alleges Tucson, Ariz., officials and police conspired with advocates for illegal aliens to shut down his free speech rights to symbolically burn a Mexican flag has filed a civil rights lawsuit against the city seeking $10 million "to deter other government officials from abusing" their powers.

The action was filed in U.S. District Court by Roy Warden, who has accused government officials in the area of helping illegal aliens because of the regional economy's demand for cheap labor.

The lawsuit seeks "redress for the negligent and intentional deprivation of the Plaintiff's constitutional rights … to speech, press, petition and assembly under the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States."

He also is seeking damages for violations of his right "to be free of illegal seizures under the Fourth Amendment…, [as well as his right] to be free from malicious abuse of process and unlawful seizure as provided for by the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments."

"This is part of the culture of corruption [around] illegal immigrants here," Warden told WND.

Among those named as defendants individually as well as in their official capacities are Tucson Mayor Bob Walkup and City Manager Mike Hein as well as several dozen others.

Tucson officials did not respond to a WND request for a comment on the action.

Warden's claim describes him as "an unpaid political activist working on behalf of the people of Pima County." He's also the publisher of Common Sense II and the director of the Tucson Weekly Public Forum.

He said he's spent four years investigating allegations of malfeasance of Pima County and Tucson City officials "who have used their public offices (1) to protect the financial interests of local contractors, etc., who now depend upon a continual flow of low cost Illegal Alien Mexican labor, and (2) to advance a left-wing political agenda, which includes but is not limited to the deliberate violation of federal immigration law, the flooding of the American Southwest with millions of Illegal Alien Mexicans, and the creation of a new empire called 'Aztlan.'"

He already had pending a lawsuit that alleged Pima County workers and superior court judges committed "a series of malicious, criminal and tortuous acts [in violation of his] right to engage in political communication within the public areas … of the Pima County Courthouse."

Warden said he protested an assembly in Tucson of 15,000 "Open Border Activists' advocating the elimination of the boundary between the United States and Mexico, and as a result was assaulted by several of the activists "in full view of Tucson police officers" and "KOVA News reporter Lorraine Rivera."

"That night, via a KVOA News interview conducted by Lorraine Rivera, Wade Colwell stated the purpose of his assault was to prevent Plaintiff and his supporters from engaging in political speech and the commission of symbolic acts protected by the First Amendment," Warden said.

He also has a DVD video recording "revealing Assistant TPD Police Chief [Kathleen] Robinson and other uniformed police officers aiding, abetting, and congratulating … activists, for the success of their assault … which did prevent Plaintiff and his followers from completing their speeches and committing the constitutionally protected symbolic act of Burning the Mexican Flag."

He also said his public address equipment he used for his "Public Forum" was confiscated and his literature destroyed, while Tucson police "stood idly by and did nothing to stop the assaults or to maintain public order."

During a subsequent "Forum" a "Chicano" student spat at one of the speakers, declaring, "This is not America! This is Mexico," Warden alleged. Protesters also barged into a roped-off area where he was planning a flag-burning, he said. But again, there was no police response to the accompanying vandalism of equipment and facilities, he said.

The result was that he was arrested on charges of intimidation, unlawful assembly and disorderly conduct counts, and while he was held in a cell in the Pima County jail, Hispanic deputies warned him, "We got Ramos and we'll get you!"

They apparently were referring to Ignacio Ramos. He and Jose Compean were serving as U.S. Border Patrol agents when they encountered a confessed Mexican drug smuggler. He fled, and the two officers fired at him as he escaped on foot into Mexico, leaving behind the 700 pounds of marijuana he had been hauling in a van.

However, federal prosecutors charged the officers with violating the smuggler's civil rights, and they now are serving 11 and 12 year sentences.

The city officials falsely arrested Warden, abused the judicial process and participated in a criminal conspiracy to deprive him of his constitutional rights, he said.

The appeal of his conviction, which is being handled by Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation, cites challenges based on – among other issues-- a claim that an order Warden stay away from "public demonstrations" violates his First Amendment rights under the U.S. Constitution.

The ban on participating in such demonstrations "precludes Mr. Warden from exercising his own constitutional right to speak freely and express his opinion about current political issues… Civil rights demonstrators have practiced this principle since the birth of this democracy," the filing said.

"Mr. Warden has been singled out based on his political beliefs. Such blatant disregard for the United States and Arizona Constitutions should not be tolerated. This is the exact type of suppression of ideas that the First Amendment seeks to prevent," the filing said.

[Texas Road Glide]

makes me glad i am in TEXAS.......
the 2 boarder patrol officers that got jail time,instead of jail they should have got a metal.....shaking head sideways.
if that would have happened in texas, the boarder patrol, would not have shot above there heads!!!! it would be like, bubba the suspect is fleeing and resisiting arrest, shoot the bastard!!!!!
i have a good freind of mine, who was a border patrol officer in florida, and quit becuase the illegal alliens seem to have more rights than the people working to keep our country safe!!!!!!
that is sooooooooooooo fuc^$% up

jmo

TRG

[2fastnaz]

To many Damned Yankees and Californians MOving here ( no offence to any Yankees or Californians) My beloved state is rapidly going down the **** hole.

[Red Rider]

Yeah, we see the freakin' "chain me up with laws" crowd infiltrating Nevada, too. They get outraged about casinos and prostitution (all legal here) and want this to be as PC as friggin' Frisco - but it ain't gonna happen, at least not out in the boonies. Vegas is "Red Light Free" - which means all their hookers are infected or are doing Harry Reid. And Reno is trying to be "smoke free", which means another BS infringement on the people. Why move to NV if ya can't tolerate the freedom?

[cowboy]

Sure hope MR Warden win's or come;s to TX

[chucktx]

Originally Posted by 2fastnaz

To many Damned Yankees and Californians MOving here ( no offence to any Yankees or Californians) My beloved state is rapidly going down the **** hole.

i was hoping someone from arizona wouldchime in.....do you have any other detailsyou can share about this sh*t????

[2fastnaz]

Originally Posted by chucktx

i was hoping someone from arizona wouldchime in.....do you have any other detailsyou can share about this sh*t????

You know pretty much what I do about it. It's down CDs way, maybe he'll see this and know more about it than I.

Basicly I think it's the politicos pandering to anyone they think will vote for them.

[troby53]

I heard about the Aztlan movement in the Southwest, but had no idea it had that much influence. Used to live in Tucson many years ago but left before the place had the population growth it's had now.

Rural Colorado is still pretty good. However, the "politically correctness" movement has made massive inroads in Denver, Boulder, and the surrounding areas. There does seem to be a large number of people up there with California plates as well....and it seems to me that legislation coming out of Denver for the rest of us is reflecting that influence.

I'm thinking that when my recovery, rehab, and retraining is over it may be time to leave Colorado.

We'll see...

Troby53

[CD]

Mostly true although I think there was a little fabrication on it if I remember correctly.

Put it this way. I often refer to Tucson as being North Nogales.

The Quest for Aztlan

The Mexicans, both citizens and invaders are becoming organized right under our noses. The suck in the wannabe liberals with their tales of "we just want to work" and a load of other crap.

They gloss over the crime rate of illegals, drug trafficking, human trafficking, organized crime, car theft rings....etc, etc, ad nauseum

A while back there was a heated discussion on this very subject. There were several members that took offense at my position. Although not one of them live here or even near the border. Easy to take the abstract view when one has no personal experience.

Several used the Statue of Liberty as being for the lack of a better term "The immigrant song" of America. A little research pointed out that the Statue was never meant as a symbol of immigration but as a symbol of friendship between America and France and the two countries commitment to libery (notice liberty not immigration). It only became recognized as an immigration symbol after Ellis island became the disembarkation point fo inbound immigrants.
Statue of Liberty poem provided by www.legallanguage.com


But what the hell, liberals twist the publics views to what they want them to see anyway. Where's my rose colored glasses anyway?

Do you think 250 .45, 700+ 30.06 and about 600 rounds of .223 is enough to have on hand??

Back to lurk mode.

[AFNurse]

Originally Posted by CD

Do you think 250 .45, 700+ 30.06 and about 600 rounds of .223 is enough to have on hand??

Back to lurk mode.

NICE TO SEE YOU BACK CD!!! and to answer your question.....tho it sounds good....that is a good start......not nearly enuf if you plan on a good old fasioned "stand".... I agree, there is alot of organization that is not noticed by EVERYONE..... legal and otherwise..... I think that in the next few years, we may have some worrisom issues.....I have a 7mm mag. can only hope that I have at least 700 rounds.....would love to have those 250 of 357 also.....don't have a 223, so would be VERY willing to augment either 22 hornet, 7 mag or 357!!! OR find the money to get a nice 45 auto!

[chucktx]

glad to see ya still kickin around cd........and on the 600rounds....i think ya got about 1/10th of what ya gonna need!!!!!!! lol

[voodoochild]

stock up CD, you can never have too much!! I have about 300-12ga, 200-9mm, and about 1000-22. As soon as I get my grandfathers 38 and 357, I'll have a ****load of them too!