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Dec 8th, 2007, 08:17 PM
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Dec 8th, 2007, 08:41 PM
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| I am sure that there are 2 sides to the story..... I would need to see the ad, AND I would need to go to the website (I doubt I will, as I have my own feelins on this topic). If the networks run even one ad from any compnay such as Budweiser (which runs many ads similar to thanking the troops), the network may have legal issues.... will be interesting to see what comes out of this.
Remember, those of us that are serving are doing so by choice. Our choice is allowing dumb A$$ idiots the right and privalage of doing their thing..... I am serving so that protestors have the right to protest..... That is my choice. (course, I hope that when my choice to bust one of them in the chops comes up that people will honor my right!!) | |
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Dec 8th, 2007, 09:16 PM
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| from what i understand, this new service is used by most of the military families to recieve unbiased news about the troops....The group trying to place the ad was Freedom Watch, which is a source of information for military families and is also in favor of our policies in Iraq and very pro-military. | |
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Dec 9th, 2007, 06:15 AM
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| Hey AF, if I ever saw someone being disrespectful to a serviceman(woman), you'd have to beat me to them. I'd probably be on them before they knew what hit them....... | |
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Dec 9th, 2007, 06:23 AM
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| I would agree. However, part of what I do, is volenteer my life to uphold the rights....... | |
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Dec 10th, 2007, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by AFNurse  I am sure that there are 2 sides to the story..... I would need to see the ad, AND I would need to go to the website (I doubt I will, as I have my own feelins on this topic). If the networks run even one ad from any compnay such as Budweiser (which runs many ads similar to thanking the troops), the network may have legal issues.... will be interesting to see what comes out of this.
Remember, those of us that are serving are doing so by choice. Our choice is allowing dumb A$$ idiots the right and privalage of doing their thing..... I am serving so that protestors have the right to protest..... That is my choice. (course, I hope that when my choice to bust one of them in the chops comes up that people will honor my right!!) | tell ya what AFN you go right ahead and bust'em in the chops, if someone cares tell them you were 20 miles down the road with the wind in your face I'll honor your right... | |
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Dec 10th, 2007, 01:34 PM
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| AFN's right. Too many legal issues for the networks. If they allow one, than opposing views legally have a right to be heard/seen. I don't want some anti-war crap getting equal time..which they'd probably be allowed. I'm sure many big network execs would like to show support, but at what cost? | |
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Dec 10th, 2007, 02:02 PM
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| Selective censorship. | |
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Dec 10th, 2007, 09:46 PM
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| .  They're selling BS on that "equal time" excuse. They are not nor even have ever been under "fairness doctrine" rules for advertisements (which expired in 1988 anyway). They are just cowardly scumsuckers, on a good day, without the guts to tell the truth. Controversial adds? All the drug adds are controversial, and 90 percent of the rest. Don't be fooled by their lame answer (which I thought I'd heard they reneged on). Shame on NBC! They make me  | |
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Dec 10th, 2007, 10:07 PM
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| i dont think guts have anythng to do with it.....the big three are democraps all the way, and want to sell the country out from under the citizens as bad as our govt wants to.......... | |
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Dec 11th, 2007, 07:35 AM
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Dec 11th, 2007, 12:09 PM
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| nbc has folded and is supposed to be running the add now.....we will see. probably run it at 3 in the morning....... | |
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Dec 11th, 2007, 01:36 PM
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| My comment had more to do with politics, e.g., if they allow one of the political parties air time, they need to allow the other party air time if they want. Not sure of what constitues what, but there are laws to that effect. As far as the specific ad in question..I don't see any conflict.
What I don't understand is why can there be beer ads, and not hard liquor? I know alcoholics who drink both. | |
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Dec 11th, 2007, 04:02 PM
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| SK - There are no laws to that effect on the books. And they have a perfect right to deny the add, since they don't support the troops but it is a free country. My biggest gripe is that they lied about why they wouldn't run it...but then they changed their story anyway when Americans were outraged.
As to the booze-ad ban, it was self-imposed by the liquor makers to prevent legislation (AKA meddling) by Congress years ago. Every now and then you'll still see some adds (saw a DiSarrona Amerrato (sp?) one this weekend, and Tanqueray too). MADD was the driving force behind that, back in the early '80's I think. I look at that as a minor plus, as the money my favorite booze companies save on no TV adds makes for less total price. And then, too, NBC/CBS/ABC don't get a dime. | |
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Aug 15th, 2008, 07:59 PM
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| Imust watch to much TV becuase I know there are hard liquer commercials. Rememberth do you have a little captain in you commercial for captain morgan rum, or is rum just like beer? The commercials that bother me are for drugs viagra,cialis, and also condoms.  This means I get to explain it to my kids when they ask me what these things are.  People looking for the stuff can find it with out all these comercials. | |
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Aug 16th, 2008, 06:55 AM
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| What gets me is that NBC has run numerous stories both controversial and not along with a comment made, "you can find out more on this by going to", then put up a website or phone number. So I don't get them banning anything having to do with supporting our troops. I always get a rot-gut feeling hearing or reading these type of stories, as it hits a sensitive spot in me when I recall 37 years ago flying back from Tan Son Nhut, Vietnam to Travis AFB, Calif. and was told by the Air Force brass, not to wear our uniforms, due to anti-war protestors heckling the troops getting home. Even when trying to get work, if we put on an application that we served in the armed forces, we were quickly eliminated from being hired, and typecast as some kind of looney. This was from corporate America. The news media sure didn't help us either by their biased reporting. As far as I'm concerned there should be no reservations about anything when supporting our troops.
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Aug 16th, 2008, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by SK AFN's right. Too many legal issues for the networks. If they allow one, than opposing views legally have a right to be heard/seen. I don't want some anti-war crap getting equal time..which they'd probably be allowed. I'm sure many big network execs would like to show support, but at what cost? | The opposition side gets their side heard by proxy every day with the negative stories they run in the news & "information" shows they have. | |
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Aug 18th, 2008, 02:14 AM
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| I personally think they should be required to run all advertisements and messages from any group, regardless of affiliation. They can add a disclaimer to the effect "this network does not support or endorse the opinions expressed in the following paid advertising, blah blah blah" but then they should run them as long as they are not obscene or unduly offensive. Let us get back free speech, and let all be heard, even the idiots. Heck, it might be fun watching the various opposing viewpoints slug it out with their advertisings.
With only four networks, and a smattering of smaller channels, mostly owned by the networks, it is easy for the policymakers at the networks to filter opinions. It is pretty bad when messages in support of our troops get cut, but any messages for opposing viewpoints get aired. The basic philosophy of the lefters (and the majority of the press is) is that the average person cannot make correct decisions for themselves, and must be 'guided' in their thinking to get the right results. If they have decided the war is wrong, then it must be wrong, and they must guide public opinion to support this. We have not gone as far as the Soviet propaganda machines yet, but watch out, as control of the press is getting monopolized in a smaller and smaller group of individuals and companies, and the individual's voice is seldom heard. | |
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Aug 18th, 2008, 07:18 PM
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| I havent watched network TV in years....I don't trust em. They try to make the news rather than report it. I like my reporters to report the news & I like my entertainers to entertain me, not tell me thier politics. | |
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