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Old Jan 30th, 2008, 08:58 AM   1 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #1
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What if 20 Million Illegal Aliens Vacated America_


Tina Griego, journalist for the Denver Rocky Mountain News wrote a
column titled, 'Mexican Visitor's Lament' -- 10/25/07.

She interviewed Mexican journalist Evangelina Hernandez while
visiting Denver last week. Hernandez said, 'They (illegal aliens) pay rent,
buy groceries, buy clothes... What Happens to your country's economy if 20
million people go away?' That's a good question - it deserves an answer.
Over 80 percent of Americans demand secured borders and illegal migration
stopped. But what would happen if all 20 million or more vacated America?
The answers may surprise you!

In California, if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back to Mexico,
it would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on overloaded school systems,
bankrupt hospitals and overrun prisons. It would leave highways cleaner,
safer and less congested. Everyone could understand one another as English
became the dominant language again.

In Colorado, 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their 300,000 kids and
grand-kids - would move back 'h ome', mostly to Mexico. That would save
Coloradans an estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 billion) annually
in taxes that pay for schooling, medical, social-services and incarceration
costs. It means 12,000 gang members would vanish out of Denver alone.

Colorado would save more than $20 million in prison costs, and the
terror that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local citizens. Denver
Officer Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not have suffered
death, accidents, rapes and other crimes by illegals.

Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67 percent
drop-out/flunk-out rate because of thousands of i llegal alien students
speaking 41 different languages. At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from
our gridlocked cities in Colorado.

Denver's four percent unemployment rate would vanish as our working
poor would gain jobs at a living wage.

In Florida, 1.5 million illegals would return the Sunshine State
back to America, the rule of law, and English.

In Chicago, Illinois, 2.1 million illegals would free up hospitals,
schools, prisons and highways for a safer, cleaner and more crime-free
experience.

If 20 million illegal aliens returned 'home' --

If 20 million illegal aliens returned 'home', the U.S. Economy would
return to the rule of law Employers would hire legal American citizens at a
living wage. Everyone would pay their fair share of taxes because they
wouldn't be working off the books. That would result in an additional $401
Billion in IRS income taxes collected annually, and an equal amount for
local, state and city coffers.

No more push '1' for Spanish or '2' for English. No more confusion
in American schools that now must contend with over 100 languages that
degrade the educational system for American kids. Our overcrowded schools
would lose more than two million illegal alien kids at a cost of billions in
ESL and free breakfasts and lunches.

We would lose 500,000 illegal criminal alien inmates at a cost of
more than $1.6 billion annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members who
distribute $130 billion in drugs annually would vacate our country.

In cities like LA., 20,000 members of the ' 18th Street Gang' would
vanish from our nation. No more Mexican forgery gangs for ID theft from
Americans! No more foreign rapists and child molesters!

Losing more than 20 million people would clear up our crowded
highways and gridlock. Cleaner air and less drinking and driving American
deaths by illegal aliens!

America's economy is drained. Taxpayers are harmed. Employers get
rich. Over $80 billion annually wouldn't return to the aliens' home
countries by cash transfers. Illegal migrants earned half that money
untaxed, which further drains America's economy - which currently suffers an
$8.7 trillion debt.

At least 400,000 anchor babies would not be born in our country,
costing us $109 billion per year per cycle. At least 86 hospitals in
California, Georgia and Florida would still be operating instead of being
bankrupt out of existence because illegals pay nothing via the EMTOLA Act.

Americans wouldn't suffer thousands of TB and hepatitis cases
rampant in our country-brought in by illegals unscreened at our borders.

Our cities would see 20 million less people driving, polluting and
grid locking our cities. It would also put the 'progressives' on the horns
of a dilemma; illegal aliens and their families cause 11 percent of our
greenhouse gases.

Over one million of Mexico's poorest citizens now live inside and
along our border from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego, California in what
the New York Times called, 'colonias' or new neighborhoods. Trouble is,
those living areas resemble Bombay and Calcutta where grinding poverty,
filth, diseases, drugs, crimes, no sanitation and worse. They live without
sewage, clean water, streets, electricity, roads or any kind of sanitation.
The New York Times reported them to be America's new 'Third World' inside
our own country. Within 20 years, at their current growth rate, they expect
20 million residents of those colonias. & nbsp;(I've seen them personally in Texas
and Arizona; it's sickening beyond anything you can imagine.) By enforcing
our laws, we could repatriate them back to Mexico.

We should invite 20 million aliens to go home, fix their own
countries and/or make a better life in Mexico. We already invite a million
people into our country legally more than all other countries combined
annually. We cannot and must not allow anarchy at our borders, more anarchy
within our borders and growing lawlessness at every level in our nation.
It's time to stand up for our country, our culture, our civilization and our
way of life.

Interesting Statistics. Here are 14 reasons illegal aliens should
vacate America, and I hope they are forwarded over and over again until they
are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them:

1. $11 billion to $22 billion dollars are spent each year on welfare
to illegal aliens. FAIR: : Immigration and Welfare

2. $2.2 billion dollars are spent each year on food assistance
programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches fo r illegal
aliens. http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3. $2.5 billion dollars are spent each year on Medicaid for illegal
aliens. http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec .html

4. $12 billion dollars are spent each year on primary and secondary
school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of
English! CNN.com - Transcripts

5. $17 billion dollars are spent each year for education for the
American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
CNN.com - Transcripts

6. $3 Million Dollars PER DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal
aliens. CNN.com - Transcripts

7. 30% percent of all federal prison inmates are illegal aliens.
CNN.com - Transcripts

8. $90 billion dollars are spent each year on illegal aliens for
welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
CNN.com - Transcripts

9. $200 billion dollars p er year in suppressed American wages are
caused by the illegal aliens.
CNN.com - Transcripts

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime r ate that's
two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their
children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US.
CNN.com - Transcripts

&nbs p; 11. During the year 2005, there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens
that crossed our southern border with as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from
terrorist countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine,
and marijuana crossed into the U.S. from the southern border.
http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

12. The National Policy Institute, estimates that the total cost of
mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion, or an average cost
of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.
National Policy Institute - Publications

13. In 2006, illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances
back to their countries of origin. Wooldridge - How Much Further Into This Nightmare?

14. The dark side of illegal immigration: Nearly one million sex
crimes are committed by illegal immigrants in the </ SPAN>United States!'
http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

The total cost is a whopping $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!!!

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Old Jan 30th, 2008, 09:30 AM   #2
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very good artical hrk it is astonishing the impact it has on the U.S.and i also believe that the lack of respect ofand by legal citizens is caused by illegal persons influance to our youth and being backed by the passive "politicly correct" head up our azz laws. our country is being taken over from the inside out. and our youth have been trained to be accepting and tolerrant and the rest of us have been legaly obligated to but I believe we have went above and beyond to our own countrys demise, we should be obligated to US citizens not of illegals i'm shuting up I'm gettin mad
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very good artical hrk it is astonishing the impact it has on the U.S.and i also believe that the lack of respect ofand by legal citizens is caused by illegal persons influance to our youth and being backed by the passive "politicly correct" head up our azz laws. our country is being taken over from the inside out. and our youth have been trained to be accepting and tolerrant and the rest of us have been legaly obligated to but I believe we have went above and beyond to our own countrys demise, we should be obligated to US citizens not of illegals i'm shuting up I'm gettin mad
What he said!!!!! When does the roundup start?
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Great info HRK....more Americans need to get involved. I see bullet number one is info from FAIR, (Federation of Americans for Immigration Reform). It's a great organization, I belong to it. About 5 years ago we had 50,000 members. Today we have 700,000 members. FAIR is on the front lines fighting for immigration reform. This immigraton bullsh&t is way out of hand and it's time to fix the problem . Anyone interested in getting involved can check out FAIR at fairus.org.

FAIR: : Federation for American Immigration Reform

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Good article HRK, and as hamshog said when does the roundup start?
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Great info HRK....more Americans need to get involved. I see bullet number one is info from FAIR, (Federation of Americans for Immigration Reform). It's a great organization, I belong to it. About 5 years ago we had 50,000 members. Today we have 700,000 members. FAIR is on the front lines fighting for immigration reform. This immigraton bullsh&t is way out of hand and it's time to fix the problem . Anyone interested in getting involved can check out FAIR at fairus.org.
Did he say "Bullet number one"? Now you're talking my language. We had better start now or we'll never get it done.
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You'll still need to build the fence , To keep them all over there where they belong after the round-up , do we need to sign up or just get a rope & speak good engilsh
Ringo the link did'nt work .
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I dunno about the fence, why don't we let Lockheed and the other defense contrators develop thier drones over the border area, when they see someone cross, the drone could

1) Turn on a spot light, have a speaker and tell them in espanola to GTFOD!
2) Same as one but take a picture and tag the frigger with a GPS module shot at them so we can track them
3) Same as 1 but no camera or GPS other wise the media would have a field day with the Freedom of Info act and put on a small gun, start shooting all around the alien, make him Dance like the cowboy movies and run his arse home
4) Just shoot them when they cross and leave the body for several days, then toss it back over the border, After a Week they'd get the point.

Hey I'm not against these people that come over to work and earn a living, just register, get your green card (make it quicker to get them cleared so they don't have a reason to cross illegally) and put them to work.
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This country was built on immigrants. My fam came from France & Scotland but they stood in line at Ellis island until the got there papers, learned English & went to work as did the Irish,Italians,Germans,Chinese,I don't see why the US Gov is draggin there feet on getting this problem under control. I think there there a bunch of pantywaists and don't want to do what needs to be done to get this fixed. Build the wall round them up send them back (or kill them if they wont go ) then let them in legally it cant be that hard State your purpose for entering reply Work and live Ok heres your SS# and you have 120 days to learn English and apply for citizenship if you dont well come find you and ship you back Permanently stamp next. most of them have some kind of job already they wouldn't be gone a week tops. Will this work or am I all wet?

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They're already starting to leave AZ. I work at a grade school and since the first of the year our enrollment is down almost 50 students. Some families are going back others are moving to other more "friendlier" states.

Here's an article in out local paper this mornning


Apartments going empty as hiring law hits migrants
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You'll still need to build the fence , To keep them all over there where they belong after the round-up , do we need to sign up or just get a rope & speak good engilsh
Ringo the link did'nt work .
Hey Cowboy...I didn't know how to post a link so I just type in the address in my post. You can type it in to your address bar and it will take you right there, or if someone would be so kind as to tell me how to post a link and can repost it.
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hope they are doing a crime study in az after reading that article from 2fast
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Ringo I fixxed the link
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Thanks...I appreciate the help.
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2fast thank's for fixing the link up , I feel like tiny all the imagrent from the past , My fourfathers (sp) where in the bunch went through ellis inland got there papers & learned to speak english along the way into the new world , so why in the hel! do'esnt our gov make all the new imagrants go this way , if thay want a new life here let the pay there own way like the rest of have to , our system is all screwed up , we have young men & woman join the milatary & are not citizens , they fight for our way of life , yet the us gives the hel1 if that try to become citizens is wrong here
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JMHO, but personally I think any attempt at rounding people up is far too much of an undertaking for our government to take on. Instead I support the idea of tightening the screws on employers who hire illegals. Dry up the job market and they all go home, otherwise known as self deportation. People won't stay if they don't have jobs to keep them here, and employers won't hire if they know there are real consequences behind employing those who do not have the right to work here. Then secure the borders like we were promised.

A side note to this plan, Mexico shouldn't have any argument to these methods. They have identical laws in their own country to protect their own southern borders from intrusion from Central America.
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Way good article man. It's one thing to talk trash as a lot do but when ya back it up with facts and figures....like my buddy BR used to say "Braggi' ain't braggin iffn ya can back it up".
More folks need to read the skinny on this. Would you give permission to repost this on some other sites?
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