[FLHTbiker]

Boom, heat and sand makes glass then all we have to do is pump the oil for free. No dead American GI,s and if Iran don't like it then turn it into glass and pump their oil for free. Gas prices at the pump lower, deficit paid off with the sale of free oil.

[Art_NJr]

Originally Posted by FLHTbiker

Boom, heat and sand makes glass then all we have to do is pump the oil for free. No dead American GI,s and if Iran don't like it then turn it into glass and pump their oil for free. Gas prices at the pump lower, deficit paid off with the sale of free oil.

Two "little" problems - (1) We haven't built any new storage or refinery facilities in the U.S. in over 30 years. Makes no difference how much crude oil is available to you when you can't make any more end product out of it.

(2) Crude oil from different sources is used to make different things - i.e., what will produce the most diesel/heating oil/kerosene/jet fuel (comes from the same batch of crude) will not produce as much gasoline (comes from different crude) & vice-versa.

Pump prices are not dependent only on the price of crude & if you want to drop the price of all fuels, get Congress to change the laws & regulations so the oil companies can build more storage facilities & refineries. Which they would if they didn't have to spend 7-10 years battling bureaucrats & lawsuits intent on keeping them from building new facilities.

[ironhorse]

ok pipe dream time..................pull the troops and priv. contractors out in one week bring them home and thank them, thank their families get the gun and ammo factories going full tilt (cause we might need them) start fixing this country and bringing the american pride back up, and if the oil goes through the roof then ask the amish how they do it. screw the oil companys screw the iraqis, screw the bleeding hearts screw the weak hearts, start again. and if the shady asz politition don't like it then send his asz packing, one of the great presidents was a broke private citizen and made a great change, fearless of death, a great leader and religious person fearless of death, made a change in history for the better, the problem is not oil, not religon, not race or gender, not illegal aliens, not education or technology, it is simply greedy goverment officals. thats the long and short of it. if you put in someone who gives a zhit of some thing other than money or fame,( which puts california in the spot light) then some thing can get done. but until then we will waste time with the rest.

[FLHTbiker]

OK, Fix bayonets and head for Washington DC

[chucktx]

Originally Posted by FLHTbiker

OK, Fix bayonets and head for Washington DC

that time may be sooner than you think!!!

[fujimo]

art-njr,,,,,you quote the rite laws,,,but,,, when press gets involved ,,,with bleeding hearts,,,throw your laws out the window,,,and supreme court decisions,,,, case in point,,,brandt family inoregon,,,, friend of mine...have in their home ,,mexican foster child ,,,born in u.s. father caught sentenced served time in prison,,,, than deported,,,, mother ,,caught sentenced servered time,,,, child welfare said child should go to mexico with father,,,, gave brandts so many days to get him on plane,,,, brandt is a lincoln deputy,,, he gets media and support of others and goes to court twice,,,, even got governor involved,,,, in the end he now has custody of child,,,, who is NOT any blood relation,,,, grandmother in mexico said she wanted child,,,, so much for your law,,,,,pops

[ringo912]

I'M WITH CHUCK & FLTHBIKER....IT'S TIME FOR TALK AND BULLSH*T TO BE OVER, AND TO TAKE ACTION.

[ringo912]

Just a few more facts for ya when ya go to the polls!

[FLHTbiker]

Yep and all these hyped up younger people who want Obomba boy and the women voting for Hillary are doing so with a blind eye or looking the other way only because they want change. Yea, change they will get and you know the sad part about it is when they feel the pinch is they will blame it on the Republican congress or senate or worse yet say it was implemented by Bush before he left office.

[ringo912]

Like I have said in the past, as far as our politicians and special interest groups are concerned, the USA is no longer a country, it's a corporation! Everything is up for grabs to the highest bidder, or the one that can contribute the most to a campaign. This includes taking as much money out of the hard working taxpayers pockets as they can get.

So with the 3 evils we have to choose from in November, get ready to bend over the table.

[Ultra Al]

Speaking of the Constitution and the founding fathers, when this country was founded, correct me if I'm wrong, but it was my understanding that at that time the Federal government had only two jobs: guarding the borders and minting money. The rest of it was pretty much left up to the states. Now the federal government does not secure the border nor "mint" money but they certainly have taken on a gazillion other jobs, most of which infringe on liberty.
As far as illegal immigration, there can be no doubt how strongly the majority of the American people stand against it but we are being ignored, disenfranchised.
AL

[cowboy]

Ringo Thank's for that link , now to figuer out how to get it to my email

[ringo912]

Originally Posted by cowboy

Ringo Thank's for that link , now to figuer out how to get it to my email

You should be able to save it as a word document file and then just send it as a attachment in your email.

[Art_NJr]

Speaking of the Constitution and the founding fathers, when this country was founded, correct me if I'm wrong, but it was my understanding that at that time the Federal government had only two jobs: guarding the borders and minting money. The rest of it was pretty much left up to the states.

It's not quite that simple, but it isn't very complicated either & a large number of Gov't. agencies don't have Constitutional authority to even exist. Examples include the Departments of Health, Education, Welfare, Energy & the Social Security Administration.

If we only had federal agencies which are authorized, such as the Coast Guard, the Postal Service & so on, it would just take a 1.5% tax on corporate profits to fund them all - no need for a personal income tax, which is unconstitutional anyway. But the tax isn't about revenue, it's about control - see: This article was first published in the January, 1946, issue of a periodical named American Affairs

Congress was given the authority to "coin money and regulate the value thereof" since there were many different currencies & coin being used in the late 1700's & a standard needed to be established. But Congress delegated that authority to a banking cartel known as the "Federal Reserve" in 1913. The "Fed" is neither federal nor is it a reserve - it's not a Gov't. agency, never has been & doesn't even claim to be.

The "Fed" is the greatest fraud ever created by man & the progressive income tax is the 2nd Plank of the Communist Manifesto. Don't take my word for it, look it up.

And the Constitutional Republic which the Constitution created died in 1868. The War of Federal Aggression (called the "Civil War") killed it & the 14th Amendment & "Reconstruction Acts" (1868-1872) were the final nails in the coffin. You won't find these facts taught in schools anywhere, but you will find them in libraries, including the Library of Congress. What's been taught since is "Revisionist History" - the writers having an agenda & picking & choosing "facts" to support their opinion.

The Constitution puts the federal Gov't. in a very small box with very limited authority to do certain things the States individually couldn't do well. For example, representatives from the several States could do a better job of negotiating treaties & trade agreements with other countries - i.e. the French & Germans would rather deal with one group of people than having to make 13 separate agreements with 13 separate States.

But nowhere in the Constitution will you find authority to make the States merely political subdivisions of the federal Gov't. & it fact that's strictly prohibited. But that's what happened. When reading the Constitution, one thing that stands out is the term "United States" ALWAYS refers to "Them" - the term "United States of America" refers only to "It".

Today the terms are used interchangeably & people think "United States" means country - no it doesn't & it never has. It means a group of independent States which are united by the Constitution - "United States of America" means nation. Minor technical detail? Not hardly - the difference in the meaning of terms is HUGE.

But that changed between 1865 & 1868 & you can see it in the wording of the 13th Amendment vs. the 14th. Look it up - you'll see the change from "Them" to "It". And when the 14th Amendment & other "Reconstruction Acts" were supposedly passed, 10 States didn't have any representation in Congress. Hey - didn't we fight a war with England over that? Colonies had no representation in Parliment & Parliment was passing laws that affected all the Colonists? Yeah, that was called the "Revolutionary War."

We won that one too - but everybody lost the War of Federal Aggression - North, South, Black, White - everybody lost to the federal Gov't. which got out of the box the Constitution puts it in.

In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution. - Thomas Jefferson

Federal v. Consolidated Government: Thomas Jefferson, Resolutions Relative to the Alien and Sedition Acts

[Ultra Al]

Art_NJr
Very articulate and informative reply, thanks. AL

[CD]

Originally Posted by wvak47

The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385) passed on June 16, 1878 after the end of Reconstruction. The Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services (the Army, Air Force, and State National Guard forces when such are called into federal service) from exercising nominally state law enforcement police or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order" on non-federal property (states, their counties and municipal divisions) in the former Confederate states.

The statute generally prohibits federal military personnel and units of the United States National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress. The Coast Guard is exempt from the Posse Comitatus Act.

The Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act substantially limit the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement.

This is why US Troops are not used to secure the borders.

Darn and I was gonna go help them out soon as they deployed here...

Actually, in time of war the military can and has secured the borders. Since we are "at war" with Iraq maybe it would be a good excuse to seal up the borders while we can....

Many of us that live in the border states are sick and tired of illegals. We are finally taking action with laws that require proof of citizenship or legal status, fines for empolyers that do hire illegals, the minutemen militia etc. We are sick of the crime rate of illegals. We are sick of being forced to give medical treatment to illegals free of charge. Tired of educating illegals free of charge and the list goes on and on. The whiney assed liberals sit in the lilly white houses in the foothills where even the homeless dare not tread. They tell us we should welcome the poor, wretched illegals for all they want is a chance... B.S.

One favorite ploy is to say that illegals do pay taxes. How? They have no SSN, no legal status, cannot own property so the only taxes they pay are sales taxes. A former employee is still trying to get his SS account straightened out after his SSN was used so much he racked up something like 60 quarters in 2005. I have to give him past records so he could prove his actual income. It is a farce, a scam and only a liberal would ever take a bite and like the taste.

[Art_NJr]

Actually, in time of war the military can and has secured the borders. Since we are "at war" with Iraq maybe it would be a good excuse to seal up the borders while we can....

Doesn't count because it's not a war declared by Congress & is being run primarily by "Executive Order" which there is no Constitutional authority for. And I can't imagine why anyone would want Washington, D.C. (District of Criminals) sending troops in when the States can do a better job themselves.

And if D.C. was concerned with the border, there would be more Border Patrol agents & more importantly, they'd actually be allowed to do their job. Also, reports I've gotten are that while there are some Nat'l. Guard troops @ points along the border, they're limited to administrative duties only & aren't even allowed to go out along the border or carry their weapons. I wish the State Governors had more backbone, told the federal Gov't. to get back in its box & deal it themselves.

Many of us that live in the border states are sick and tired of illegals. We are finally taking action with laws that require proof of citizenship or legal status, fines for empolyers that do hire illegals, the minutemen militia etc.

You'll get more done doing it that way than relying on D.C. And it was only the public that changed the situation in North Carolina where illegals were flocking to 'cause it was so easy to get a driver's license & register a vehicle. States like New York were even wondering why they saw so many cars with N.C. tags. Ain't so easy anymore, but not because the Gov't. did anything about it on it's own initiative.

[Ultra Al]

So why can't the states confront the federal government and say that since they are not doing their job the state is going to have to do it and send the national guard down on the border. Al

[Art_NJr]

Originally Posted by Ultra Al

So why can't the states confront the federal government and say that since they are not doing their job the state is going to have to do it and send the national guard down on the border. Al

They can - they just don't. $$$ is a big part of it - they want to use federal funds, but when you do that, the feds get to tell you what to do with 'em. But the Governor is in charge of the Nat'l. Guard in his/her State & they don't need permission from D.C. to call them up for a State issue.

[GreyBear]

Che Guevaro said it, I believe, "Full bellies make for bad revolutions" With milk at almost 5 bucks a gallon and working people becoming the "new poor" things are headed in a not pretty direction.
Obama being in the mix makes it even more dangerous.
Forget his politics and focus some other issues. If he isn't the Democratic nominee.....will that spark problems. Think back to the Rodney King incident and the LA riots. And if he gets the nod then what? One thing for sure the elections are going to be both interesting and something we have never seen before. Traveling like I do I talk with a lot of people and the mood in the country is very unsettled. I hear a lot of support for Hilary and the "logic" behind it sounds reasonable.....had a waitress in MD tell me her reasons for supporting Ms. H and I am afraid a lot of people may be thinking that way.
Her reasoning: "Well, she has already been President once for all intents. Just look at her and Bill and you KNOW who wears the pants in that family. Long as he was able to jog and play the saxophone and screw around....he was happy and she called the shots. (Damned if that dont sound reasonable, lol) When they left the Whitehouse we had a surplus, the dollar was strong and people were working....."
Now no use going into why such "logic" is flawed. That doesn't matter. Truth has little bearing on what folks believe.
Personally, I feel the "War on Terror" is a bust, just like the war on drugs. Anytime you have a "war" that is not total and decisive, ruthless and who cares what people think, you are hamstringing yourself. Can we just pull out.....I don't think so. Unless it is to clear the places of our troops, so we can create those parking lots.
Besides, the middle east isn't our real problem. While we **** around there that big dragon is getting richer (thanks to the "capitalists" that are so happy to invest there) and it's military is getting stronger. Wanna worry about the future? Look at China and India.

Ride........(with damned near 4 dollar hi test it' hard to say "free" any longer)