[SkyKing]

I'm not ecstatic over either candidate. I've had some issues with McCain. In spite of his history as a pilot, he has not been a General Aviation supporter. As a pilot myself, this has been an important issue for me. He has been a supporter of 'General Aviation User Fees' as opposed to the current funding which comes primarily through fuel taxes. He has also sided with the Airline industry over General Aviation on other issues. Now, having said that...I generally like the things McCain says and does. I do think he has his heart in the right place. I too, have concerns over Palin's experience and McCain's age, however...I'd still rather see her in the Oval Office than Obama. He flat scares me.

[Red Rider]

My of the day is people thinking Palin hasn't enough experience and the same folk thinking Obama does. Or Biden. Or even McCain. Senators are the friggin' personnel office of government - the back-seat drivers that put their campaigns first. Governors/mayors actually LEAD and are required to do more then funnel money to their reelection funds. Obama's major experience seems to be in inflating his minor experiences (like his flop in "helping" Chicago area schools). Biden's? Being wrong 90% of the time is not experience, but it is a luxury that Senators can afford...as he exemplifies so well.

Saw Gov. Palin in Carson City on Saturday. She's the real deal. If you want more political machine B.S.: the kind that got us artificially high fuel prices; the mortgage mess; the unaccountable CEOs that get paid millions to leave rather than being prosecuted, etc...then Obama (Daly-machine vacuum bag)/Biden(Mr. Washington Insider - did ya know he was in the Senate while McCain was staying in the "Hanoi Hilton"?) are your ticket. Real reform comes with Palin.

And , too, on the abortion issue. Roe v. Wade is, prima faci, bad law, whether one agrees with abortion or not. Why don't the abortion-choosers run a Constitutional ammendment for it if it is so precious? And no President can personally change that law anyway. Just another way voters are fooled not to look at the real issues - scare 'em that they won't be able to kill babies anymore. "Save the Whales, Spotted Owls, Snail Darters, Anopheles Mosquitos - but PLEASE Kill the Babies" A bit strange, that lefty perspective.

As to Palin being "eaten alive in Washington" - ya'll know that is B.S. I've been to DC and had to work with the weenies and their staffs there - they are so friggin' afraid of getting exposed that the last thing they'd do is attack her lest she put the sunlight on them like she did the scammers in AK. They'll use the press for that, but this being the Info Age is slicing that option. She'd probably do better then Teddy Rooseveldt. I hope she gets the chance.

I need a beer......

[FLHTbiker]

Good points Red, drink one for me to.

[FlynDutchman]

Originally Posted by hd27612

I don't like any of them. I don't believe Sarah Palin could step up any time soon and be president which could be a real possibility based upon McCain's age. She would be eaten alive in Washington. Plus she is really stretching her accomplishments in Alaska and the bridge to no where story and her pork barrel lobbying. I can not stand the thoughts of another Bush term which is what we get with "McChange". I could maybe vote for McChange if he would admit that we can never change the fanaticals in Iraq or anywhere else in the middle east. We need to protect our own here in the US.

Everybody is so fixated on Palin....saying she doesnt have the experience or the nards to be President....If people bothered to look at Obama's "experience" they'd see the same problem....& dont even get me going on this whole "CHANGE" thing !! Is Obama really the candidate for change when he picks a guy who has spent 35 years as a senator as his running mate ??? I think not.

[ironhorse]

I just think the cowboys better get going or PHI gonna get'em

[hd27612]

Originally Posted by Red Rider

Think she's getting fair treatment?


Personally, I'm outraged at the BS that is thrown her way. Makes me want to puke on the nearest "journalist". Thankfully, she can take the attacks. Can we just get McCain to step aside when they're elected?

And she can fill her cabinet and other positions with her high school friends like she did in Alaska. But I am shure that they were the most qualified people who just happened to be her buds.

[Red Rider]

And she can fill her cabinet and other positions with her high school friends like she did in Alaska. But I am shure that they were the most qualified people who just happened to be her buds.

hd27612 - Now you're just desperately reaching. Maybe because Obama is on his way blowing his big lead and getting trounced. Is Obama really "most qualified"? He was clearly the LEAST qualified of the Democrat candidates. You may be on to something, though, as any random sample group of Americans is likely better than the psycho-criminal elites Obama would select for his cabinet.

If you're concerned with Palin's choices, check her results and not the Daily Kos or other crap. She puts the light on the roaches, and they hate that...got 'em scurrying and scared.

And feel free to talk about bikes sometimes, too! Only 2 posts by ya and both political?

[CD]

Originally Posted by hd27612

I don't like any of them. I don't believe Sarah Palin could step up any time soon and be president which could be a real possibility based upon McCain's age. She would be eaten alive in Washington. Plus she is really stretching her accomplishments in Alaska and the bridge to no where story and her pork barrel lobbying. I can not stand the thoughts of another Bush term which is what we get with "McChange". I could maybe vote for McChange if he would admit that we can never change the fanaticals in Iraq or anywhere else in the middle east. We need to protect our own here in the US.

Homey say What???

Obama has absolutely no experience in governing, is a jeep senator that has less experience in governing than Palin. Ronald Reagon didn't croak in office nor did LBJ or Ford or any of the old fart president. In fact only FDR has died in office of natural causes since 1900. McCain is a tough assed hombre who knows WTF he is doing and there can be no argument that experience will be needed and Obama just doesn't have it and Biden is too busy getting hair plugs and photo ops. I'd take Palin over either of them. She won't get "eaten alive" anymore than ole Hilary did and remember she had 0.00000 experience in any office prior to being big Bills wife while he was ruling the Clinton kingdom that position is not elected and is commonly called The first Lady.... What qualifies her more now?

[FLHTbiker]

CD, I really hate to disagree with your statement that Obamba does not have any experience. He actually has a great deal of experience much more than what most everyone even realizes. You have to realize where he comes from. Even the media has not caught up with this. His experience is flapping his lips without any substance coming out. That takes a lot of experience to do that while making some believe that you actually know what your saying and what those people want to hear. All the while doing so without saying anything, so don't you agree that takes a lot of experience.

[hd27612]

Originally Posted by Red Rider

hd27612 - Now you're just desperately reaching. Maybe because Obama is on his way blowing his big lead and getting trounced. Is Obama really "most qualified"? He was clearly the LEAST qualified of the Democrat candidates. You may be on to something, though, as any random sample group of Americans is likely better than the psycho-criminal elites Obama would select for his cabinet.

If you're concerned with Palin's choices, check her results and not the Daily Kos or other crap. She puts the light on the roaches, and they hate that...got 'em scurrying and scared.

And feel free to talk about bikes sometimes, too! Only 2 posts by ya and both political?

You must not have read my original post. I said I do not particularly like any of the candidates. I DID NOT say Obama was my choice. I was only saying how displeased I am in George Bush/John McCain and that the US is spending all of this money and loosing US men and women for a useless war. I think I do have a right to express my concerns about Sarah Palin. Too bad you have to take it so personal. By the way, I am pretty new to this site and haven't had much time for posting. I did post under the Soap Box category so not sure why you are upset. But I do find this election very important and intriguing.

[ironhorse]

nobody is upset were just havin a disscusion

[Red Rider]

= NOT UPSET (I thought it was funny)

As to the uselessness of this war, you're just wrong. I'm disappointed you and millions of other folks are deceived into thinking it is useless, but can't say I'm all that upset about it. But take heart, you can rest easy in knowing that Lindsay Lohan, George Clooney, Barack Obama and Pamela Andersen agree with you. Giants of American Intellectualism in the 21st century that they are. And John Kerry, who voted against it (after voting for it).

Biden was for the war, but not for buying any of those nasty steel-jacketed thingies that go fast out of the tyrant-soldier boomsticks......or for any funding of the troops. Just for sending them to war.

Don't worry, I am not taking any of this personal. I'll be fine. Thanks for your concern!

[Panthera]

Originally Posted by FLHTbiker

CD, I really hate to disagree with your statement that Obamba does not have any experience. He actually has a great deal of experience much more than what most everyone even realizes. You have to realize where he comes from. Even the media has not caught up with this. His experience is flapping his lips without any substance coming out. That takes a lot of experience to do that while making some believe that you actually know what your saying and what those people want to hear. All the while doing so without saying anything, so don't you agree that takes a lot of experience.

I don't know if I would call the experience, but he has certainly raised that skill to a high art form!

[Panthera]

Originally Posted by Red Rider

= NOT UPSET (I thought it was funny)

As to the uselessness of this war, you're just wrong. I'm disappointed you and millions of other folks are deceived into thinking it is useless, but can't say I'm all that upset about it. But take heart, you can rest easy in knowing that Lindsay Lohan, George Clooney, Barack Obama and Pamela Andersen agree with you. Giants of American Intellectualism in the 21st century that they are. And John Kerry, who voted against it (after voting for it).

Biden was for the war, but not for buying any of those nasty steel-jacketed thingies that go fast out of the tyrant-soldier boomsticks......or for any funding of the troops. Just for sending them to war.

Don't worry, I am not taking any of this personal. I'll be fine. Thanks for your concern!

As to whether this war is useless or not, I am sure a lot of people have their opinions, and sometimes they get a little hot under the collar about it. I just look back through a bit of history at the times where the 'good' countries failed to act because they had 'better things to do'. For instance, when France failed to stop Germany from re-militarizing the Rhine area, making Hitler look like a German savior and eventually leading to the deaths of millions, or when we failed to solve the problem the first time Sodamn Insane used chemical weapons against his own people. Maybe this was or was not the best use of our military, only time will tell for sure. I think, though, that just turning a blind eye to dictators, tyrants, and the assorted butt-wipes of the world only leads to worse problems down the road.

I could, however, argue that the war missed by an entire country, we should have went to Iran. Of course, that is just my opinion.

It is fun watching Oblama try to backpedal about the effectivness of the 'surge' that he said would be a total failure.

[hd27612]

[quote=Red Rider;45494] = NOT UPSET (I thought it was funny)

As to the uselessness of this war, you're just wrong. I'm disappointed you and millions of other folks are deceived into thinking it is useless, but can't say I'm all that upset about it. But take heart, you can rest easy in knowing that Lindsay Lohan, George Clooney, Barack Obama and Pamela Andersen agree with you. Giants of American Intellectualism in the 21st century that they are. And John Kerry, who voted against it (after voting for it).

Red Rider - I am not an Obama fan. I voted for Bush twice. Actually over 60% of American believe that based on cost verses benefits that the war with Iraq was not worth fighting. Also, approximately 60% believe that the US made a mistake by sending troops to Iraq. On the upside, 52% of American now believe the US is making significant progress in restoring civil order in Iraq. I was actually for the invasion of Iraq because I believed what Bush told us to be true. So my original post was not in support of Obama but more of my disapproval with McCain and Palin because I believe it would be more or less the same as the Bush leadership. Have a great day!

[Red Rider]

A - Right or wrong is not up for a vote. The war in Iraq is right - it was just a matter of when we'd be at war with Islamofascists and their supporters. And the majority of polls today are really just PsyOps, not surveys.

B - I was one of those guys that told President Bush what he told you. It was true. The constant screeching lies of the Democrat Party SOLELY TO GET VOTES - repeated with glee by the press - have made too many gullible sheep believe that Bush lied when, in fact, he did not. If he had lied he would have told you that all WMD had been disarmed, dismantled and accounted for.

C - Dude, do ya have a bike?

[hd27612]

Originally Posted by Red Rider

A - Right or wrong is not up for a vote. The war in Iraq is right - it was just a matter of when we'd be at war with Islamofascists and their supporters. And the majority of polls today are really just PsyOps, not surveys.

B - I was one of those guys that told President Bush what he told you. It was true. The constant screeching lies of the Democrat Party SOLELY TO GET VOTES - repeated with glee by the press - have made too many gullible sheep believe that Bush lied when, in fact, he did not. If he had lied he would have told you that all WMD had been disarmed, dismantled and accounted for.

C - Dude, do ya have a bike?

Dude, Hell yes I have a bike. Maybe you can respond to the post I did asking for some opinions. I glad to know that the WMD's were really in Iraq. Did we destroy all of them? You have your opinion and I have mine. I guess we both are right!

[Red Rider]

Nope, you are wrong - but don't worry, it is just ignorance.
If you knew what I know, you'd see what a travesty these "Bush Lied" attacks are and feel much better about the man currently leading our country. The sad thing is that the Dems in office DO know, and say 'em anyway. Think about that. Harry "Independent, Like Nevada ( )" Reid should be tried for treason and exiled, like Lincoln did during the Civil War.

I'll look for your bike post now.

[hd27612]

Originally Posted by Red Rider

Nope, you are wrong - but don't worry, it is just ignorance.
If you knew what I know, you'd see what a travesty these "Bush Lied" attacks are and feel much better about the man currently leading our country. The sad thing is that the Dems in office DO know, and say 'em anyway. Think about that. Harry "Independent, Like Nevada ( )" Reid should be tried for treason and exiled, like Lincoln did during the Civil War.

I'll look for your bike post now.

Can we just agree to disagree and let it be?