[Hot01]

I'm not sure I understand some people's thought processes. My mother forwarded me some crap about Sarah Palin that I've seen 100 times already. What I don't get is:

1. Knowing I own and shoot guns, why would you think that I'm offended that Sarah Palin is a member of the NRA. I'm a member of the NRA. I don't think that makes me a bad person. Personally, I think I have more power knowing that if someone wants to threaten my life, I don't have to call some big strong policeMAN and hope he gets there in time. Why is this anti-woman?

2. You don't like the fact that she doesn't believe in sex education in schools and is pro-life. Hmmm, I don't know her stance here, but I'm going to assume she thinks that parents should actually have the responsibility of teaching their own children in their own homes. And the nerve of the woman to give birth to a baby with Down's Syndrome rather than nip that problem in the bud early. I cannot say what I would do in that situation, but she certainly shouldn't be condemned for that choice.

3. She doesn't have a ton of experience? Now isn't that hypocritical. You're going to slam George W. because he grew up in politics and plays the games, but now that the shoe is on the other foot...

4. No separation of church and state. OK, on one hand, you think the world is going to Hell in a handbasket. Drugs and poverty are rampant. Nobody cares about anyone anymore. Crime all over the place. Is pushing a little morality on folks a bad thing? Oh, and intelligent design. I'm still trying to figure out who was there for the big bang. Yeah, the Garden of Eden thing is a bit oversimplified even for a regular church-goer like me, but I don't think anyone has a corner on the knowledge of how this place got put together. Does it really hurt anyone to give a couple of options? You want diversity, give us diversity.

I could go on. I guess it doesn't make sense to send it to people who already believe what you believe, but if you want my vote that bad, perhaps making a case would help.

[cowboy]

I'am not a member of NRA but try to hurt one of my family & if the wife or kid (all over 25) don't hit you I will
My wife & I have a handicap son they said he would not mak 6 mos he's now 30 yrs old but like have a baby you have to change him feed him & he's never talked or walked
as for her expence she has fought all the big oil comapnys & won her fight , as for her running mate he has the exp in my book & as for they oppents (sp) biden does & obama don't know jack in my book & he has not even said how he will pay for all the cahnges he plans on doing

[Tiny86]

I carry a GUN because COPS are generally too HEAVY and they wont fit in my pocket !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[chucktx]

what tiny said!!!!!!!!!!

[Hot01]

[wvak47]

I am a member and certified instructor of the NRA until my membership dies this time. I will never send the NRA another dime for anything. They are wasteful with their funding, all their bumming letters. What they spend on postage has to eat up a big chunk of what they will get from them. They are soft, they have actually assisted in the writing of legislations limiting the second amendment. Their cop out is that if they didn't help limit the second amendment it would have been worse. Personally I prefer groups like GOA (Gun Owners of America) and JPFO (Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership) These two groups have it right "Shall Not Be Infringed" means not even a little bit.

I don't think experience on her part matters much. She has been in politics as long as Obama, although he is a much more articulate speaker than she.

I find it amazing how many pro-choice people are against the death penalty. They are ok with ending an innocent life, yet opposed to stopping the life of someone that has proven to be a menace to society. I am pro-choice in the beginning. You have the choice of whether to have sex, or to use birth control. We all know what could happen if we have sex, we know the means to limit the chance of that outcome. There is THE choice. Killing a baby should never be an option of birth control. However, I don't feel the government has any right or place to tell us it is legal or not. If a woman wants to kill her child so be it, but I feel abortions should come with a hysterectomy. You can kill one but that will be the last one.

The separation of church and state is soooooo often taken out of context of original meaning. It was NEVER meant to keep the church of the state but the state out of the church. In other words it wasn't meant to keep morality out of office, it was meant to keep the state from telling you what religion you can have or what church you will attend. However, too much church in state can also be as bad as no church in state. Theocracies have their own basket of troubles. I sure wouldn’t want today’s “Christians” running my government. Gandhi said it best, “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Too many Christians just don’t get it.

As far as morals go, there again the government has NO place trying to instill those or enforce them. That is the job of parents, to be reinforced by society. You get out of line and someone beats you down for it you have just been reinforced LOL. To quote Robert E Howard, Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.

Ok I will get off my high horse now, but you made me

[Hot01]

Thanks for the insight on the NRA. I've never received anything in the mail - just e-mail. However, I have been a little disgusted by all their side businesses - the insurance, banking, wine, gifts, etc. I'll have to look into those other organizations.

I couldn't agree more on the abortion/death penalty issue too.

I can kind of understand your thoughts on Christians, but not totally. That's making a rather large blanket statement. I never found a church that inspired me to stick around in New England, but I've found a different type out here. On the other hand, I went to a service at a budding mega-church and was horrified. That the pastor can stand up there, here a couple of testimonies from people who have stopped taking their diabetes medication for a couple of weeks and claim they're cured, and then say he's going to heal everyone in the audience who is afflicted... well that's just plain ignorant, narcissistic and scary.

[Tiny86]

There was a joke going around here a while back Ill try to tell it rite. Feminism
A man comes home and says to his wife demanding, I want you to fix my dinner,draw me a bath, massage my feet and give me sex!! Tomorrow morning you know who's gonna dress me? The wife says I'm guessing the FUNERAL DIRECTORYa See; she carries a gun and knows how to use it.

[ruffrider11]

Very well said Hot01 I couldnt agree more. I am a Christian I am pro life
I also believe in the law of the land and will not stand by and praise groups who blow up people who dont think the way they do. If you want to stop something say abortion change the persons heart Untill the law changes Women have a choice gauranteed by the constitution. The mega church healers, well lets take them to a pediatric cancer ward and lets get to healing then I'll follow em the the end of the earth until then, for me its a side show. On the NRA im not a member but I have a CHL and carry and so does my wife. every where its leagle.

[FLHTbiker]

[chucktx]

Originally Posted by FLHTbiker

ya took that at the local wednesday nite sewing class, didnt ya......least ways that is the way it happens here!!!!!!!!!!

[FLHTbiker]

[GreyBear]

Howdy,
The NRA has gotten to be a bad joke for the most part. Seeing a decrepit Charleton Heston barely able to raise the firearm above his haed as he says "from my cold dead fingers" wasn't inspiring it was embarassing. Been to a gun store lately? See the pink composite stocks, the made to attract a "girlie girl" firearms? Now that is marketting. You can't get anything done preaching to the choir. But as St. Ignatius of Loyola said: "Give me your childre til they are six and they will be mine forever." You have a constant bombardment of anti hunting, anti firearms propaganda being shoved into open little minds and has been for several decades now. We have to combat that and get the next generation involved.
As to the quote here: <<<"I find it amazing how many pro-choice people are against the death penalty. They are ok with ending an innocent life, yet opposed to stopping the life of someone that has proven to be a menace to society. I am pro-choice in the beginning. You have the choice of whether to have sex, or to use birth control. We all know what could happen if we have sex, we know the means to limit the chance of that outcome. There is THE choice. Killing a baby should never be an option of birth control. However, I don't feel the government has any right or place to tell us it is legal or not. If a woman wants to kill her child so be it, but I feel abortions should come with a hysterectomy. You can kill one but that will be the last one.>>>>

I agree about the death penalty issue. Such has always seemed screwy to me. But then so do people that feel meat is OK as long as it's neatly wrapped in plastic at the Mega Market but get all teary eyed when ya shoot Bambi. First, even the laws show a double standard. According to Roe v Wade and all the opinions rendered after it, life begins at BIRTH. Yet we have people in jail some awaiting execution for "killing" an unborn. How can you kill somethng that isn't alive? Instead of wasting time trying to over throw Roe v Wade, imagine how much furor would be created if a case was brought for unlawful imprisonment on behalf of all those prisoners.
As to anyone having an abortion beng forced to have a hysterectomy....Zeig Heil. That's BS. I have dealt with a young family member that went through such an experience when she was 13. Date rape. I know some feel that she should have kept the rapists kid and given it up etc etc. I also know how much she suffered and how it still haunts her today, 15 years later. I also know what a great wife she is to her husband and what a great Mom she is to her 3 kids. Everyone is entitled to thier opinion. But such neo nazi "christian" BS is, to me way over the top. Like the ones that so want to "save" the unborn they bomb a clinic or assasinate a Dr. To me they belong in the same dung heap as a towel head suicide bomber.
As I said, everyone has opinions and that is as it should be. We all will have to stand in front of God and deal with our choices. That is also as it should be.
Ride Free.......

[wvak47]

Sieg Heil (Victory Hail or Hail Victory) something this nation has long fallen short of and have given over to the Victory of the immoral powers that be.

The only question I would ask is what business does a thirteen year old have being on a "date" anyway?

Nevermind, I will just concede that I am a dinosaur and was born WAY out of season. I ain't fit for this filthy world. I just thank God I had Old School Parents and raised the way I was since it fits me well.

[GreyBear]

I used what has become the popular term. She was on a chauferoned outing with her church sunday school class. She was 13 He was a "youth leader" and 26. So much for keeping them in a safe enviorment and "closer to God". Of course, it was her fault. She led him on, asking for extra help with Bible verses and picking ones from the Song of Solomon, which everyone knows is so inflaming to the senses. What was he to do? I mean she was already in a training bra for god's sake. He went to jail, as did her Daddy because he beat the sob damned near to cerebal palsey. The big shots from the church were more interested in avoiding any liability or scandal than helping a little girl. The bastard got shanked in the joint and died. Good freakin riddance. Must be damned nice to live in a world where everything is Black and White and all neatly compartmentalized. Mine is a bit less certain and more chaotic.
As to Zieg Heil and the rest of the Nazi BS...I am an American. My family fought the Japs and Nazis in WWII and I have absolutely no use for any of thier twisted cross rhetoric. Nazis, neo Nazis, Communists, radical Islamics, and all the other world domination, we have such a better way for you to live let me impose my religion, morals (or lack of them) and way of life on you have all the right in the world to spout thier BS. Try and put it in practice and my rights start to supercede thiers. The Nazis had some great slogans: Heil Victory, God is with us, My blood is my honor....I have never seen or read anything that gives me any indication that such was anything but the usual lies and BS politicans make into slogans.
Ride Free.......

[wvak47]

That would not qualify as date rape that is plain and simple Child Molestation. It is a situation I have no way to comprehend, how anyone male or female could harm a child. There is nothing that can be done to those that harm children to qualify as worthy in my world (even prior to the birth of my son). It is an enormous injustice that her father went to prison for doing what any “Daddy” would do. As I see it the “youth leader” got off lucky with a beating and a chance to live another day. Had I been on the father’s jury the term Jury Nullification would have been in the front of my thinking. The fact the Father was sentenced again shows how ignorant our society has become. Funny how even “criminals” take a dimmer view and know how to deal with those who harm children better than 90+% of our society.

It is a further cry of wickedness that this happened at the hands of someone who was supposed to be of God. I am sorely sick of hearing of children harmed by those in these roles. I can guarantee this is not the work that God would have done. Jesus specifically speaks of harming children in Matthew 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

I don’t see the situation you describe as birth control. I see that as giving a child back a future. Further I am sympathetic to the situation and pleased that the young lady was able to turn it around and secure a positive future. My views are meant for the folks that are irresponsible and see killing children as a means to fix their screw-ups.

As for Sieg Heil that is more about the fact that your spelling is incorrect. It is a burr under my saddle when folks wage insults and fall short on proper use/spellings. All politicians/governments have great slogans and all are baskets full of crap filled eggs. No Government will ever be for anything other than itself no matter how pretty or patriotic it’s propaganda.

As for my world being black and white it is very much so. Right’s right and wrong’s wrong and I tick off more than one person by sticking to my convictions and that is ok with me too. I could easily be wrong and when proven to be I will admit it, as wrong’s wrong even when I screw up. No hard feelings man, I am honestly sorry you had to live through this experience too. It isn't fair but no one ever promised this world would be fair I guess.