[Hot01]

I heard something on the radio today. A handful of Algerian are being released from Gitmo because there isn't sufficient evidence to hold them. OK. The follow up to that was the Obama plans on shutting the place down when he takes office.

I'm not naive enough to think that everything that goes on is 100% as it should be, but are there other plans on what we're going to do with terrorists/suspected terrorists? It was the first time I was genuinely afraid for the future of this country, as in, are we going to be speaking English and allowed to be practicing Christians in another couple of years?

[chucktx]

it is scary... he is so far in over his head. he thinks the world is going to be at piece when he swears in. there are a lot of scared folks all over the country, and they have "stocked up"..............it will probably get worse before it gets better......

[Hot01]

seriously - do people actually believe that if we leave them alone, they'll leave us alone?

[Art_NJr]

Originally Posted by Hot01

I heard something on the radio today. A handful of Algerian are being released from Gitmo because there isn't sufficient evidence to hold them. OK. The follow up to that was the Obama plans on shutting the place down when he takes office.

I'm not naive enough to think that everything that goes on is 100% as it should be, but are there other plans on what we're going to do with terrorists/suspected terrorists?

Broadcast I heard said the plan is to move those in Gitmo to military installations here.

[cowboy]

Yes Abby there's a lot of people who belive him all the way ,& there from all ages groups & race , There's a guy who retired from the collage where my wife works , he still drops in to say hi & he belives every word that obama says & there's millions like him ,,Time is the truth here & only time will tell us how bad he & his party will screw up this Country The Dem & Polici (SP)are the one's who started the bail out for the big 3 auto CO & now she is back stepen real fast

[amf4399]

The next four years are going to be real interesting. It is aleady brewing and he isn't even in office yet.
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Al-Qaeda vows to hurt Obama's US

[chucktx]

"we will all be drinkin that free bubble up and eatin that rainbow stew"

[Tomflhrci98]

Now you guys are worrying me a little here. Would you like to be held in prison for no reason or the hear say or one other person? This in not the motivation our Fore Fathers had to declared independence from England. I think it was Benjamin Franklin who said it is better to let 10 guilty men free then to imprison one innocent person. The meaning on this is of course that if you don’t have sufficient evidence then for the sake of civil rights you shouldn’t make arbitrary judgments. Now I know this is hard to swallow but if you don’t understand this simple rule then you are no better then the German Gestapo.

And blaming Obama for this?… for God sake the man hasn’t even been sworn in yet. Don’t pass judgments, let’s see what he’ll do first before we crucify him.

[chucktx]

there is an old saying...."you are known by the company you keep".....and all those folks were keeping company with terrorists....i dont think any of them were pulled from churches or bible schools...............

[Art_NJr]

Originally Posted by chucktx

there is an old saying...."you are known by the company you keep".....and all those folks were keeping company with terrorists....i dont think any of them were pulled from churches or bible schools...............

No, the reports are they were pulled from their homes in Bosnia. Suspected of planning to blow up a U.S. Embassy after 9/11, but no evidence of that. Reckon that's worth 7 years in Gitmo?

[amf4399]

Originally Posted by Art_NJr

No, the reports are they were pulled from their homes in Bosnia. Suspected of planning to blow up a U.S. Embassy after 9/11, but no evidence of that. Reckon that's worth 7 years in Gitmo?

There has to be more to the story then that. If we are just arresting people for no reason then yes there is a problem but I doubt that is the case. Sure there is sadly going to be mistakes made but the over all picture is that we haven't been attacked since 9/11. Closing gitmo is crazy.
With todays media it worries me on what side they are really on. I have talk to to many poeple who have been there are they all have the same story about whats going on over there is not what the media is reporting.

[amf4399]

Also another thing I would like to add is that these accusations pretty much comes from the same group ( party, media ) who accuse our Marines of murder which were found innocent and still waiting for a apologize from Murtha.

[Hot01]

I wasn't saying that they the Algerians shouldn't have been released; that was the beginning of the news story that led into the story about Obama shutting the place down. People actually believe that 9/11 was a conspiracy staged by the Bush administration. I'm sure these same people do not believe that terrorists are a danger to the United States. And while I believe that we all need to take measures to protect ourselves, I find it worrisome that Obama plans on shutting down the facility that is used to detain suspected/known terrorists. If they are going to continue to detain suspected/known terrorists someplace else, fine. But then why does the venue matter? Public relations?

[Art_NJr]

Originally Posted by Hot01

. . . If they are going to continue to detain suspected/known terrorists someplace else, fine. But then why does the venue matter? Public relations?

Oversight. Rather, the lack thereof.

And don't think that you have to be a radical Muslim from a foreign country to be sent there - Ameican citizens can be too, without "Consitutional rights" or "due process of law." Don't take my word for it, look it up. I've been researching federal statutes, executive orders, court cases, etc. for going on 17 years & what I find in the law libraries will scare you a lot more than closing Gitmo. And you can read legislation like the "Military Commissions Act" online for free - here's just one site:
Military Commissions Act of 2006: Military Legal Resources (Federal Research Division: Customized Research and Analytical Services, Library of Congress)

[Tomflhrci98]

Abby, I agree with you that we have to carry a big stick, for no other reason than to make sure these terrorists know we ain't putting up with their crap. Shutting down the prison doesn't send any kind of message as far as I'm concerned either. I just hope we don't forget our principals. We are no better then them if we are torturing people because it makes us feel good or somehow makes us feel safer.

I had to laugh at what Chuck said about pulling them from Churches and bible schools. I think those are the ones we NEED to round up. It's the religious extremists that are the big problem today (as always) no matter what religion it is.

[SK]

Originally Posted by Tomflhrci98

I had to laugh at what Chuck said about pulling them from Churches and bible schools. I think those are the ones we NEED to round up. It's the religious extremists that are the big problem today (as always) no matter what religion it is.

Amen!

[Red Rider]

If you attend church or bible school you are an extremist and should be rounded up?

Wow, talk about scary. But that did work out for Stalin and Mao...just not so well for their peoples.

[Art_NJr]

Originally Posted by Red Rider

If you attend church or bible school you are an extremist and should be rounded up?

Wow, talk about scary. But that did work out for Stalin and Mao...just not so well for their peoples.

Stereotyping is a dangerous thing to do, isn't it Red Rider. I have a Harley-riding friend who lives in Indonesia, he's a Muslim & Indonesia (including about 17,000 islands) has the largest Islamic population of any country in the world. Yes, they have some radical factions, but nowhere near the level of violence you see elsewhere & it's also against the law to target anybody of any culture/religion - you'll get in just as much trouble targeting a nightclub or a Christian church as you will a mosque & they don't play over there - execution by firing squad.

I thought it was very interesting when my friend told me that when you're invited to some holiday party (all religious holidays are observed - i.e. he gets Christmas off), the host will ask you what religion you are. Because certain religions don't allow certain types of food or drink, the table where you will be seated won't have what you're not supposed to have, but all kinds of food & drink are available. Amazes me that the many different cultures there get along with each other, but they do & that shows it can be done.

[amf4399]

Originally Posted by Art_NJr

Stereotyping is a dangerous thing to do, isn't it Red Rider. I have a Harley-riding friend who lives in Indonesia, he's a Muslim & Indonesia (including about 17,000 islands) has the largest Islamic population of any country in the world. Yes, they have some radical factions, but nowhere near the level of violence you see elsewhere & it's also against the law to target anybody of any culture/religion - you'll get in just as much trouble targeting a nightclub or a Christian church as you will a mosque & they don't play over there - execution by firing squad.

I thought it was very interesting when my friend told me that when you're invited to some holiday party (all religious holidays are observed - i.e. he gets Christmas off), the host will ask you what religion you are. Because certain religions don't allow certain types of food or drink, the table where you will be seated won't have what you're not supposed to have, but all kinds of food & drink are available. Amazes me that the many different cultures there get along with each other, but they do & that shows it can be done.

Sounds like they take their laws seriously over there. No PC there. I wish it was that why here in the US.

[FLHTbiker]

Originally Posted by amf4399

Sounds like they take their laws seriously over there. No PC there. I wish it was that why here in the US.

I think every convicted terrorist in our country should be executed. Suspected or known terrorist who can't be prosecuted because they have not been caught in the act yet and are from other countries should be rounded up and sent back to their country of origin.

All illegal aliens should be sent back to their country of origin.

This bull about the poor dudes in Getmo, give me a break those guys would be the first to help kill innocent people and especially Americans even had they not been captured.

Just look at the mass senseless murders in India, there just hideous murders and nothing more. Should we capture them and put them in a prison, So later on those bleeding hearts can feel sorry for them to No Better Idea Bang Your Dead