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Cam Change

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Tech Talk' started by 08XModel, Nov 9, 2009.

  1. 08XModel

    08XModel New Member

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    Looked into the 103 ci and it just costs to much right now. Was thinking about just doing a cam change. The HP is good but the torque sucks. 4Th gear and up the torque drops and causes me to shift around a lot. I was wonding what anyone thinks about using the SE 255 cam. Seems I've heard others used Andrews cams. I don't know if this will do what I want but just looking for other input. Hope someone can help me.
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    I’ve got S&S Gear driven Cams, If I remember correctly they are 510G. I could really tell a difference. Also went with S&S push rods. I don’t know what stage they call what I’ve got. Air filter system old SE when they were still using K&N air filters, V&H Big Shots staggered, SE ignition, modified carburetor, and the S&S cams. 2005-88B Runs real good.
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    I would not put gear drive cams in yer 08 bike.
    The new hydraulic tensioners are great.
    HD has had too much problem with new bikes and the pinion shaft slippin.
    It should be under 3thousands before going gear. And I wouldn't do it even then on a 08 bike.

    Don't know what you want out of yer bike and whos gonna put the cams in.

    But if you want a cam that pulls you should try a Woods TW6.

    Are you gonna do the 103 yerslef ?

    What kind of tuner are you gonna use.
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    The 255 is a good choice for the average person as long as your not a hot-rodder, and don’t see much action above 4K RPM‘s. The torque comes on early and has good useable power. Andrews TW26 would be another good choice.
    Good luck.
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    If yer plannin on a 103 build, you should look at a total package.
    Then start with a build with the cams e so whatever you do will go toward your total goal.

    The TW6 Woods cams comes in just past idle and pulls all way to 5000 rpm.
    They do hit hard oh.
    Chucktx has riddin my 103 with the TW6 cams in it.
    It wasn't real fast but O.K. for a bagger.:gah:
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    Why stop at 5K? It should pull ya past 6K easy… The Wood’s 6 cam is a good one for sure, but at about twice the price of other cams I would look else where. (price is an issue?). Also, a lot of folks pull their Wood’s cams because of the noise they cause…(their ramps) .
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    Put several woods cams in my buddy's bikes.
    Not one of them would let me take them back out because of the noisy ramps.
    The woods Tw6 cams is a excellent choice of cam.
    They are not really that bad in price.
    I've also put the woods 44 magnum cam in a buddys bike and he really likes it.
    Ask Scott with Hillside cycles which cams he would use.
    He does some good heads and good motor work.

    Also got a buddy that builds bikes in Alabama that would show you the differences in a 255 cam vers a Woods TW6 cam.
    Ain't the 255 a EPA cam ?

    HotRodKing on this forum should be well able to tell you about the cams.:cussing:
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    Yup, the 255 is EPA friendly. I mention price because of the original post. Wood makes some of the best cams out there, for sure. And Scott is a big supporter of Wood’s cams, especially the ‘6’.
    For a basically stock motor there is nothing wrong with the 255... If I were building a motor I would stay far away from the 255, as its intake close would prevent it from being cams for my riding style.

    The 255 and the 6 are two completely different cams for two completely worlds…
  9. chucktx

    chucktx Moderator Staff Member

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    i put the andrews 26 in mine,,,,,,a bit noisy due to being gears......but i like it.....it i were to do it again, i would go with the new tensioner cams.....piece of cake to install, even a caveman can do it........and quieter.........
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    Man Please !

    Yer still up.

    Must be watchin the game.:D
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    chucktx Moderator Staff Member

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    yup!!!!!!!!! 10-14
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    Not all woods cams are noisy, many times its improper pushrod alignment, excessive endplay on the rocker arms etc that help increase the total sound

    You can't run gear drives on the 08, HD has changed the flywheels and the endplay is typically out of spec making gears an impossibility to to clearance issues.

    The new Hd system is better anyway and it's cheaper to run without gears, and quieter...

    For a 96 the woods 6-6 is a great bolt in cam. Remember you are limited in what you can bolt into the bike due to the valve springs, you simply can't toss a .640 lift cam in because it will fit in the cam chest, about 540 is the limit, which ends up being a bit more with the stock rocker ratio.

    I've put wood 6-6 (the equivalent of the tw-6) into an 07, use the SNS or HD SE tapered pushrods and when you install check the clearance in the heads for the pushrods, make sure they are not touching or close.

    Setup the pushrods as HD says and it will run quiet.

    If you want a little more bottom end pull and are willing to give up the over 5000 rpm pull then advance the 6-6 4 degrees with the woods advance gears and the bike will pull harder from the bottom, if you ride two up, loaded up, heavy bike its not a bad idea.

    Other than that the Andrews 54 is a good alternative.
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for yer reply Hotrodking.

    Appreciate the help from somebody as knowledgable and that can talk as well as you.


    If you do not have anybody to go threw, you can call Bob Woods directly, he will sell you the cams for the bike, and the SE quick install Push Rods with tubes.
    You can talk to him about what your are trying to achieve also.:D

    Wood Performance Carburetors - High Performance Harley Carbs and Cams
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    you are welcome
    try my best to converse in the kings vernacular LOL

    there are not many woods dealers so prices stay high

    contact my friend Phill Suddeth at Calif Phils in Concordia KS

    California Phil's Concordia, KS (785) 243-9991

    he should be able to help you get a discount on andrews and woods cams.

    Woods do not have a ton of wiggle room and low volume production make them a bit more expensive.

    Another option for the bike is Kuryakyn 2G you should get good power from it as well and it's bolt in...
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    Thanks everyone for the good info. I run two up most of the time and seems the bike needs more torque when cruising at highway speeds. I would like to use 6th gear without having to do 80 to 85. Not enough torque to run 75 in 6th. I have a shop pricing up a tuner and andrews cams. Will post the part # when I find out. Andrews 37H cam. Thanks for the input.
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    I've put wood 6-6 (the equivalent of the tw-6) into an 07, use the SNS or HD SE tapered pushrods and when you install check the clearance in the heads for the pushrods, make sure they are not touching or close.

    Are the SE pushrods adjustable rods? Heard some people like them but maybe that was for the EVO. Not sure on that.
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    The cam my shop recommended is a Andrews 37H. I will have to put on a new tuner. I don't think the cobra will work. It gets me by for now. The problem is the shop wants to put on a Terry Components FI controller. This controller costs twice as much as what I've got and isn't any better. Don't know if it is worth messing with until the Thundermax comes out. Curious if anyone has used the Andrews 37H cam.
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    Installed the Woods cams in Dynas and Electraglides.
    No Clearance issue on a 510 lift cam.
    The cam does a excellent job.
    Se quick install pushrods makes a quick install.
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    The best tuner for now is the Power Commander V with Auto Tune.
    Its a retrofit unit. Had one on my bike for over a year.
    You can contact Jamie at Fuel Moto.

    Fuel Moto USA

    Thundermax has said they was gonna come out with a unit for over 2 yrs.
    They have moved their dates about 10 times, and still haven't released it.

    I even attended one of Thundermax classes.

    I've installed several Thundermax's on Harleys.
    Love the unit.

    Just got tired of waiting on it.

    Might git one in the future if it ever comes out.
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    What did the power commander cost? I didn't see a price on the web site.

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