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Discussion in 'Motorcycle Tech Talk' started by JohnnyBiker, Dec 15, 2011.

  1. JohnnyBiker

    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

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    OK, I have my build done in my head and the following is what I have come up with. No part numbers are listed.

    Big bore machine work to a 95 CI
    Head Work including compression Releases
    Se compression releases
    SE Flat Top Pistons 10.5:1 Cr (still doing a little research on this)
    .045 gaskets depending on result of and decision of Heads and Piston choice
    S&S adjustable pushrods
    Upgraded oil pump. Need a little more research done here as well
    Red Shift 557 cams.
    Daytona Twin Tec Ignition
    Pingle fuel valve
    Carb work. I am looking at buying the CV 44mm and a good assortment of jets needles and other things for obvious reasons.
    Se intake for 44mm carb
    Cam bearing install/removal tool

    That is about it for now. My mind is set on the Red Shift cams. I have had an opportunity to talk with someone that I know that is running the Red Shift. It is kind of funny, he is way over cammed for the street. He was saying that his rev limiter kicks in before he even hits peak power of his cam. He was describing a condition that his bike vibrates and it is hard for him to find a happy median to cruise in......
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    I would think if your hitting the rev limiter before you hit peak power you should reconsider that set-up, it's not giving you all it should just sayin.:gah:
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    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

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    I agree, that is what I said to him then he comes back and says, how can you go wrong, the engine isn't working, it will last forever.. :rolleyes: Yeah he has a lot of power but a lot power that he can't use really..
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    make sure your twin tec tc 88 is not the ex version make sure its the race gives ya alot more options and ya got to get the cable set so you can data log your motor as well . chris is the developer of this system and all of there other products he will get on the phone if you call . get a complete cometic top end set you will need all those gaskets if your going in the cam chest . any way .
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    baggerpaul Well-Known Member

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    would also be looking real hard at the s-s 585 . cams and drop the compression down a bit it is a bagger and heavy 2 up and loaded your gonna have to run the timing a little conservitive if your gonna run high cylinder psi . 9-8 to 10. would be nice and can be done not having to run a dome piston . or wt tc2 cam from mike rolland ? jusy my opinion . not gospel you will have other advice for sure .lol
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    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

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    I will not go any lower than 9.5:1. If I go less than 10.0:1 I will run the .030 gasket. thanks for the tip on the ignition. The race one it will be then. I will take a look at the ss 585. Thanks BP.
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    Guess you've talked to a head porter about the pistons and cam you are using before you git yer heads done ?
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    Zippers makes good cams.

    http://www.zippersperformance.com/catalogue/showproduct.asp?cat=814&prod=1749
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    I would use Feuling Race pushrods.
    And feuling race lifters or bob woods directional lifters.
  10. JohnnyBiker

    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

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    I kinda have that figured out... :D I am not going to use anything from Woods as much as I can.
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    Whatever !
    Don't know what you got against Woods products. Really don't care . It ain't my bike.


    Woods makes some really good products including their cams.
    I don't want nothin but woods cams in my bike.
    Got a lot of friends that agree with me. They all got woods cams in their bikes.
    Was at a HD dealer in College station. The HD mechanics and me was at the service counter talkin about Woods cams. That is what they want in their bike.
    They have put some woods cams in customers bikes and they dyno's out very good. They got to break the bike in on the dyno and take it out for a ride.
    They also rode my 08 bike with the TW6 Woods cams in it.
    When I was lookin at a SE Ultra, they replied to me. Hope you don't think the SE 110 will run anything like yer 08 Ultra with the Woods TW6 cams in it and the head work you had done with Hillside.

    Who is gonna do your build
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    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

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    The heads will most likely be done by my Indy including the compression releases. If not him, then it will be of someone that was highly recommended through this forum. The boring of the jugs will also be done by my indy. The engine will be assembled by me...
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    Yer indy has a machine shop, flow bench, can bore jugs and port and polish heads ?
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    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

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    yes
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    If he has a flow bench and knows how to use it, that's good.

    Does he have a CNC machine,
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    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

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    I am sure he will be able to do it if I decide to let him do it....:D
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    Good luck :)
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    Heck if'n it ain't right , he can do it again. [​IMG]
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    Only thing a cnc machine does is
    run the designed program consistantly
    over and over it does the work exactly the same

    CNC programs are created off hand ported
    heads that create the exact effect the builder/porter
    wants from the original work. It adds nothing
    to creating power over hand porting, it's a machine
    and it doesn't create the base work.

    Both cams you are looking at require
    new valve springs to accommodate the
    lift, stock springs won't handle the 550 and up cams

    585 is too much cam you think your cams
    come on late now, they will come on later

    I ran 585's in my 106, call sns they will advise against
    them. 551 would be better on a bagger
    Lift isn't everything CB is right about woods
    his cams come on earlier and create TQ and in
    a heavy bike TQ is key your buddies build
    running out of rpm before running out of power
    indicates that problem what good is 120 hp at 7000 rpm
    if you are out of rpm level at 6000, nothing.

    If your indy suggests the red shift, knows
    them and can match up the flow of the heads
    to the cams (and you can get enough air through
    the intake and carb to feed that need) then
    you should go with what he recommends

    Twin cams (and all engines) respond best to
    packages of parts designed to work together
    get the cams wrong and the rest won't do its job
    and you'll be complaining about it not doing
    what you wanted.

    Whomever is doing the heads needs
    to help you pick the pieces that
    go into the build.

    Concentrate on TQ curve not
    high rpm power, ride the sporty if you
    need low weight high rpm power..

    Do it wrong and it will be a dog
    where you ride it rpm wise.

    First and biggest mistake is over camming
    a build.

    Bigger isn't always better and until he
    shows you a dyno chart that proves what
    he tells you then reserve judgement.

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