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Discussion in 'Motorcycle Tech Talk' started by samvan, Aug 18, 2015.

  1. samvan

    samvan Active Member

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    What would be a good set of performance plugs to use with 134 hp / 10:8 comp, (what gap, .030 or .040)
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    I'm running NGK DCPR8E (one step colder)in my 80" Evo at 10.5:1 static, gapped at .035...Generally when you raise compression you can narrow the gap.
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

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    Yep I'm with HRK on the Auto Lite plugs.
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    badinfluence63 Well-Known Member

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    Why use non oem plugs?
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    nothing wrong with HD, in fact if you have a newer HD the spark knock detection software in the ECM uses the spark plug wires to sense detonation, so you have to be sure to use a plug that won't mess up the signal.

    With dyno tuning it was discovered that the stock HD plug was falsing signals of detonation to the ECM, that would cause the software to pull timing out of the engine and thus power. Several tuners were seeing this on the dyno.

    Changing to the HD SE plugs seemed to cure this.
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    I pulled the plugs, approx 700 miles. ( 3% ) was getting it on. NKG"s DCPR8E looked Darn good, gap was approx .029. After looking at plugs was satisfied. However gonna try autolite just for comparison.
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Plugs are pretty similar, they go a lot longer
    and with unleaded reading them is next to impossible
    without a scope.

    This isn't NASCAR where a .0001 second is the difference in the pole
    position and mid pack.
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    Yeah,only real difference in any standard spark plug is solid cap or screw on...Screw on one's can get loose or corrode....A solid cap standard plug is better IMO....I've fouled a few plugs, but I've never wore one out;):D
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    The NKG DCPR8E look so good, I wire brushed them lightly to clean them up a bit and put them back in the bike. Is there a certain protective coating I may have harmed ? Whats up with the E3 plugs thats being touted ? I hear accel is the better of the two.
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    Snake oil IMO. No performance gain in those fancy expensive plugs. A sharp bright blue spark is what you want to ignite the mixture. Doesn't make any difference what type of plug provides that spark.
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Key is to get the best spark for your build,
    if you are drag racing then spend all you can
    to get the nth degree of advantage, a gnat on your
    ass might cost you a win...

    ON the street I doubt you'll feel anything between the
    plugs, however, if your coil and plug wires are not good
    and the plugs are gapped wrong then you can loose power.

    As I said earlier the newer delphi with spark knock
    sensing through the plug wires were found in many cases
    to register false knocking and retard timing, this is a problem,
    and the SE plugs cure it.
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    Autolite are super good plugs.
    But do not use irridium plugs.
    That is where you get interference.

    in metric bikes run NGK.
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    I run the NGK Iridium DCPR7EIX in my 08 FLHX, as does my friend in his 2014 Ultra. Neither had any trouble with interference (on the dyno or otherwise). Can't speak for other brands of Iridium plugs. I would still not go near those E3 plugs regardless of what bike or vehicle.

    The only possible interference trouble I've seen on a bike with the knock sensing is when changing the plug wires to a non OE style wire. I use the Moroso suppression core wires on my 08 which work just as good as the originals for me.
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    Thunder-Max & somebody told me not to run irridium.

    Also had a dyno man say he had dynoed the same bike with every brand of spark plug made.
    He likes the standard Autolite 4164. Which is like a 2.00 spark plug,

    He gained nothing with irridium.

    But you run what you like.
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    I run the same plug in my new roadglide and on the old bagger never had any issuie with them on the dyno .also ran the se plugs either one worked never had any retard issues with these I did have it with the original champions.
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    I just changed the plugs in my 2014 SE and put stock Harley plugs back in it, they work.
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    Champion Plugs are about the bottom of the barrel.

    I don't remember the problems in why not to run them. But I do remember it.
    And you gain nothing by running the more expensive iridium plugs.

    There is talk all over the internet about plugs.
    Trying to get the right comments
    But I dude that builds bikes and dyno's them is where I got my info.
    I ran the iridium plugs for a while. And never got anything from them.

    Dude 30 miles up the lake graduated years ago from MMI.
    They told him NGK for metric bikes. Autolite for Harleys.



    I will stick with my Autolite 4164

    http://harleytechtalk.org/htt/index...ml?PHPSESSID=41483fa98bc1dc3d4393cb6d8a804a9f
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    baggerpaul Well-Known Member

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    OK this is what I can tell ya being a Drivability technician .engine builder .the Iridium or platinum tip plugs with the small electrode just last longer and jump the gap easier that's it .so really the only thing you gain is the coil has to do less work .unless you have a multitude discharge ignition system you are not going to gain any more spark in that cylinder that the coil is able to make as far as stored energy is concerned.no as far as plugs go you only have 3 or 4 manufacturer making plugs for all the labels you buy .allied signal builds plugs for many manufacturers.including autolite and Delco .gm is no longer affiliates with ac Delco they are now to separate companys..federal mogul builds champion and other private label plugs.NGK and ntk build plugs and o2 sensors for various private labels also. And different motor company's. If your looking for engine power it's not in the plugs. And ps champion is the factory plug for HD .
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    I just change the plugs about every 9 or 10 months.
    I tried the iridium.
    One of them burnt some of the gap off.
    Till I was told by T.M
    & a guy that builds motors & is a dyno man to just run the standard autolites.
    So I didn't go back with the iridium plugs.

    If you like em run em .
    But why pay the price got iridium when ya can run the standard plugs & save money.

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