Tuner question

Not to start a war here,, (like oil and tire opinions) but I'm at the point of getting a tuner for my scooter. I'm dangling between a Power Commander and one of the CPU burners like TTS. I'm familiar with and have used the PC unit and liked it. Have had the Harley "download" which wasnt enough for my last build, and also had good results with the plain old Cobra unit on my Wide Glide.
This is for my 2012 geezer glide 103 with Dresser Duals, Big Oval mufflers and SE air cleaner. Not planning on a Dyno tune, as I just want it to run cooler and proper with the changes. I'm pretty sure at this point that I have outgrown the Hot Rod engines after last years melt down. Leaning toward the PC,, but my brothers tri glide will need tuning too in the near future and I see the TTS has a dual bike kit available.
Thoughts from those who know ?

FuelMoto has the power vision it looks like a good tool and appears to do a lot, not priced to bad either.
Right now I'm using Direct Link, but all you get is what is called a key and the dyno shop has the actual software. Its a flash tunner and tweaks the stock ECM.
Stage one on my 96" 08 SG dynoed 76 HP and 94 ft lbs of torque with it.

I have a PC III on my 04 GeezerGlide and no problems...Just remember that the canned maps are a starting point...Jamie at Fuel Moto provided me with a pretty good map for what I had but a good tunner will make it better...

Heres a decent read:

http://www.utahharleytech.com/?cat=17

Good info,, thanks !

I tried a PC 3 from Fuel Moto on my 07 Electra glide and it was a total failure. Seems like I had their techs on the line all the time. The thing worked and seemed to improve response some but the problem was getting the bike started. Before I put the unit on the bike would start super quick. Like on first compression. After install it would crank and crank and crank. They claim that on older bikes the electronics are all getting old enough to start to fail. And the tuner becomes a parasite to the electrical system which causes some parts not to get the power they need. Sounded like BS to me but I wasn't going to let that unit cause the starter and who knows what else to get worn out. I even asked it they could give me a map that would not even kick in until the bike started running or got to 1,000 rpm's. They said it wouldn't make a difference. That the drain on system would still be there. So I removed it an installed XIED's. Now it's back to starting like it should and I guess it has more fuel since the mileage did drop some. I was not happy and I still think they are full of it but people talk highly of them. Of course they said they could solve the problem if I brought it to them. They did say anyone with a dyno could as well. But all I wanted was a little more fuel. Not worth the hassle. Not even the amount I had already been through. So it sounds like on older bikes it's a crap shoot because I asked around and others with older bikes had no problem. There is my sad story!

Wow first one from fuel Moto that I have heard of.


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I don't doubt there is something on my bike getting marginal. But they could not say what it might be. But cranking forever was surely going to ruin something. I still don't understand why they couldn't make it come alive AFTER the bike was running. It's just programming but they insisted it would not change anything. Now I'm afraid to try a Cobra for fear of the same result even though they claim the constant tuning would give optimum performance. I just can't afford to throw away $500 because I can't get confirmation they would take it back with full refund like Fuel Moto. So without a doubt Fuel Moto is the place to go as it stands but they don't have Cobra products.

Hmmm. Don't know what happened to my reply?

I would think Fuel Moto would have done a check on when it was returned and contacted me if that were the case. If not and it was defective, then someone else is going to have the same experience. Can't imagine them taking that risk. I would have been more than happy to try another unit but it really appears that isn't an option. I've not look into TTS Mastertune. I'm really leery trying anything else out given what Fuel Moto said about tuners being a parasite to the electrical system. But I would really like to try a Cobra CVT. Just can't take the risk. I ain't loaded with money.

Is this what you are referring to? Where does it connect if so?
Kuryakyn 9228 Mastertune Cable Kit


Edit: I guess this is needed and is really what you are talking about. Would still like to know what it connects to though.

Hmmm. So how do you know what to change and how much to change it? Trial and error?

CA Phil ??