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2007 96in motor SE 255 Cams, Chain Drive vs Gear Drive

Discussion in 'Pull up a chair and sit for a spell' started by Yr Papa, Apr 24, 2009.

  1. Yr Papa

    Yr Papa New Member

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    What are the Pros and cons, on Gear Drive vs Chain drive on a 2007 96in motor?

    Next week HD will be adding SE 255 cams with mapping and dyno. I was told that with the 2007 Stock 96in motor, and the NEW Chain Tentioner, I don't need to do gear drive? Is that TRUE?

    MY SPECS: I have a 2007 Roadglide with 12,000 miles on it. I bought my bike new in 2007. When I bought it, I added; Power commander, Big sucker air kit, and thunder header slip-ons, mapped & Dyno. This year I added V&H True dual head pipes.

    What's your Experence? Please Reply...

    Yr Papa
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  2. chucktx

    chucktx Moderator Staff Member

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    i have an 06. when i did my cams i went with gear drive....i do lilke them. since then i have done the newer bikes with the new and improved chain drive cams. i like them a lot better....cheaper, easier to install, quieter, and last a long time. for my money i would put the chain drive in............
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    Chain is a lot easier to do. If you want to go to gear drive, you can ask chuck, you 1st got to pull the cam cover off and check the pinion shaft runout, them remove the cam support plate and check it again, so you will know which set of gears to use.
    And if yer crank shifts at all on the new bikes it will eat the drive gears on the cams up.

    I 2nd staying with Gear drive.

    But what do I know :gah:
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    chucktx Moderator Staff Member

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    i THINK you mean....i 2nd staying with CHAIN drive....................:roflmao:
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    Thank you chuck, I screwed up. Been drinkin Jack and coke with my buddy, see jack has my fingers messed up too.

    I will try not to make the same mistake again.

    I 2nd chain drive !

    See Older Rednecks can learn from their mistankes. Now where did I put my Jack.:roflmao:
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    Howdy olks,

    FWIW, the TC started with the silent chain and that was questionable, lots of reported tensioner failures. The next up grade was gear drive but this quickly showed the poor design of the crank; in 2006 on the Dyna models the MOCO switched to roller chain drive; a well proven reliable drive system. I believe that when the MOCO changed to the roller main bearing in 2004; a problem with the crank shaft twisting reared it's ugly head, you don't want gear drive cams with these cranks. Bottom line, the dealer is right you don't need gears for your build.

    Oner other thing, there are other better choices for cams than the SE 255. Read up on cam selection and match the cam to your riding style and condition of your weight/speed requirements and how much further you want to go in chasing the numbers (HP & torque).

    Best wishes,

    Pixs
    :chopper: :rocket_bike: :D
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    I been statin the same thing for a few years now.:banghead:
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Well you really don't have a choice with SE cams

    HD doesn't make gear drive

    06 and up cranks have been found to be out of spec enough that you can't
    run gear drives at all

    New Chain drive is good

    So you're running chains and you haven't got a choice...

    But I wouldn't go SE cams

    I would pop in a Woods 6-6 and advance it 4 degrees for more tq quicker with the heavy RG, and then smile as you smoke all your buddies

    Really want to get them then change rear pully to 09 with 66 tooth vs 70+ and it will pull the front wheel.. They'll think you dropped a big block in it...

    255's are an ok cam but not a good 96 inch bolt in cam

    Woods 6-6 +4 is better or the 408-44 for a 96 to 103 motor.
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    We stuck the 408-44 in my buddy's 08 EG,it made a heck of a difference.
    Turns up the Rev's a lot faster. Hes real happy with it.
    After we go on a trip in 3 wks, we have heads, pistons and cylinders to make it a 103 were gonna do.
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    That should be a purt near strong bike,

    My plans are 106 with the 408-44's
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    Hi Folks,

    No disrespect to the folks that are recommending specific cams but the real issue is the entire build as in all the components and the desired results. The only person that can really choose the right cam is the end user, if you don't know how to do that, you better find someone that can walk you through the process. BTW there are very few HD dealers that can do that and a lot of independents are way too biased to be trusted. Bottom line you really need to know how to analyze your needs and select a cam to match your specific riding style and bike. Don't just jump in on someones idea of a good riding bike you may hate the results.

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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    No disrespect taken, it's a good idea to determine where the rider wants the power its the right approach when making a cam selection
    However he presented a few questions :

    1) Gear Drive. HD told him not to go gear drive, the explaination for that is that a) HD doesnt sell gear drives so they are not going to recommend them, b) gear drives are not good in the later model 96 in motors due to runout on the pinion shaft making it difficult to fit the gears so I just wanted him to understand that gear drive isnt an option.

    2) The new cam tensioners appear to be a better design, time will tell.

    3) You are putting in 255 cams, why? Who recommended, what was the objective? usually I find the rider asks someone at the dealer and they have a standard answer and of course it's always SE cams. They are not going to recommend any other cam, and they will toss out warranty issues as well such as if you use HD SE products we will cover the bike during the remainder of the warranty...

    My comments on the Wood 6-6 advanced 4 degrees come from personal experience of installing them on a few baggers, and if needed the dyno charts are at Wood Performance Carburetors - High Performance Harley Carbs and Cams.

    Baggers need low end grunt, more tq from 2500 to 5000, and the 255 is more of a mid to upper end cam for higher comp motors.

    A good question is where do you want the power, most bagger riders say they want to get away from the lights easier and more mid range passing power. - Torque 2500 to 5000

    The woods 6-6 advanced 4 degrees fills this and can work with a 103

    the andrews 26A cam will work as well, but the Woods will smoke it in the power department.

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