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Bought different sporty. She came with a dynojet kit BUT...

Discussion in 'CVP Stage 1 Tuners Kit' started by checkflag, Oct 3, 2010.

  1. checkflag

    checkflag New Member

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    I kept my CV kit from my old bike that I sold.
    Here is whats happening with the Dynojet kit..

    She hesitates at low rpm's with every gear change and for a moment
    feels like she wants to stall. Once RPM's rise, the exhaust pops.

    First off, the bike I now have is a 1999 sportster 1200 sport.

    180 main and 45 slow.
    Mixture turns: unknown.
    The slide, spring, diaphram and needle are from Dynojet.
    I am thinking it would be better to replace the needle
    with the CV one as It worked really well in my last bike. Maybe
    the spring too.

    I really need some sound advise.
  2. chucktx

    chucktx Moderator Staff Member

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    if it was mine....i would get rid of all the dynojet stuff and replace with the cv preformance kit.....the whole kit, not just bits and pieces....
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    i'll second what chuck said
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    Yeah I mean basically like I said, all this leaves is swapping the
    Needle and spring. I already replaced the emulsion tube with CV's
    Nice twisty one and jets are jets.

    What I am wondering is what to do with he slide/diaphragm
    That is from Dynojet. Just leave it? Go back to a stock one?

    What jets are recommended for my 1999 sportster 1200 sport?
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    chucktx Moderator Staff Member

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    i would go back with the stock slide and spring....jets i think are about 47 and 190.....i may be off one size tho...........search this site using the search function....it is here.....
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    do you mean stock slide and the CV spring? or did u really mean the
    stock spring.
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    I'm still confused as to what parts you are using. I feel I should jump in and state that "jets are jets" really isn't the case when comparing Dynojet jets to original HD (Keihin) or to CV Performance jets. Dynojet made proprietary jets that were different than others. A #180 from DJ will have different flow characteristics than the same #180 from CVP and HD. Also many of the early versions of the DJ kits used jets that had different thread sizes that won't fit in a stock or CVP emulsion tube, but it sounds like that's not the case for you. The reason the DJ jets flow differently is because they were designed to be installed with their own Dynojet tube.

    I can't emphasis enough not to mix parts, you will end up chasing your tail trying to get them properly tuned.
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    Alright. I didn't know that about the jets and
    Do not want to chase my tail. Tomorrow when I
    Get a minute I will put te cv jet back on the cv tube.
    I will replace the dj needle with the cv as well as the
    CV spring as well. The only thing can't do anything
    About is the slide. All I have is the dj slide that is a plastic
    Material.
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    Ohhhhh, I didn't realize you had the Thunderslide setup from them. That makes a huge difference and presents a problem. That plastic slide is not only overly light but the design holds the needle a different distance away from the needle jet (nozzle) that sits on top of the emulsion tube. All tuning suggestions practically go out the window and you have to go by Dynojet's tuning instructions.

    So here's the rundown when using a Thunderslide kit. You either have to use ALL of the Dynojet parts (needle, emulsion tube, main jet) for it to work or buy a new stock slide if you want to use stock or CVP parts. A Thunderslide will not work with stock, OEM replacements, or CV performance parts - only works with their own parts. DJ made their parts so proprietary that you can't combine any of them with stock components.

    Let me know if you decide to stick with the Dynojet Thunderslide kit and I will move this message thread to the general tech tips forum so that others familiar with Dynojet could chime in and help.
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    Well I replaced the emulsion tube with the one that was on there and nothing really happened, it still hesitates. I would rather use all CV stuff but I do not have nor can
    I find a stockcarb slide anywhere online. (thats all I really need to get back to CV)

    Arrrgh this is frustrating.

    Maybe someone can explain what changing the length of the needle will do. The DJ
    needle is adjustable so what can I expect performance wise if I let it go deeper or
    if I shorten it up.. this is so confusing.
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    kenfuzed Administrator Staff Member

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    The part number for the slide (with diaphragm) is 27585-88. Zanotti has is only for cheaper than you'll find it anywhere else.
    27585-88 | shop.zanottimotor.com

    I won't get into all the reasons why an adjustable needle is a nightmare to tune, you've probably already figured that out for yourself. In theory making the needle longer is supposed to make it lean, shorter gets richer. Trouble is that moving the needle position also changes the location of the tapers which regulate what point the midrange transitions.
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    I do not like Dynojet. I like to live by the acronym K.I.S.S. (keep it simple stupid)
    and DJ is not that. I will have to call zanotti tomorrow and see about ordering this slide.

    When I sold my other sporty, I swapped out the carb components so I could keep the
    CV parts.
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    try ebay for a complete carb that has all the stock parts and then modify it with CV performance stuff.
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    Thanks for the input but all i need is that POS thunderslide replaced.
    Zanotti Motor has it brand new for $30, so i will probably go there for it.

    I have all the CV parts and I won't have to remove the carb to put them in
    with just the slide.
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    Alrighty then.. went to the dealership and bought me a stock slide
    and replaced the POS thunderslide. Also replaced everything DJ with
    everything CVP.

    Almost all is back to normal. No more hesitation. No more choppy all
    around feel to the throttle response. Now once again I have fast throttle response
    and smooth midrange.

    I still have popping on the deceleration but I should be able work that out
    with a little finessing of the mixture screw. (unless you all may have some
    suggestions).


    ****UPDATE**** :
    Turned mixture screw out 1/2 turn and presto! no more deceleration popping.
    I think I can safely say this dilemma is over. Thank you CVP for a great product
    and a forum with lots of great advise.

    All in All I am happy to be using the system that actually works and is as
    easy as plug and play. I will always recommend the CVP kit to anyone who asks me.

    The Dynojet Thunderslide kit is a Joke. It is over-hyped, over priced garbage.
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  16. chucktx

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    glad ya got it handled.......cv products work as advertised!!! have fun and stay safe!!!
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    don't it just make it fun to ride again, :D
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    Yes, especially now that she purrs like a
    Kitten.

    However, she needs both of her rocker
    Gaskets replaced. I am bringing her in tomorrow
    To take care of that.
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    I have a guy at work that is looking to get rid of his CV because he has an S&S. If you are interested, I can see if he is willing to get rid of it yet? It is off an 87 xl. Let me know.
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    Make sure it's actually a CV style carb. In 1987 they were still using the butterfly style carb and then in 1988 they introduced the first CV... but the '88 was junk since they didn't build that first version with an accelerator pump. If it is just to rob the carb of it's slide then probably worth it.

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