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Cam tensioner questions

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Tech Talk' started by HDROADKING62, Jun 13, 2011.

  1. HDROADKING62

    HDROADKING62 New Member

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    Hi, I have a 2005 Road King with 21000 miles with stage one. Cam tensioners are bad. I want to go to gear to gear maybe go to a bigger cam..would I have to do anything to the power commander? Thank you for your time.
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    Before you go to gear drive,measure your crank run out..if greater than .003" gear drive is out unless you get the crank trued then you might as well have it welded especially if you 're going to a bigger cam...other options are the SE hybrid kit or Herko's conversion...
    You would need to remap if you change cams.
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    cowboy Moderator Staff Member

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    I did the SE hybird kit Andrews cams & dumped the ehi & went to a cv carb bike runs better & sounds better
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    Power Commander has nothing to do with changing cams. You will have to change the program in the PC>
    Do not go backwards to a Carb. Its the wrong direction and you actually have more moving parts do go bad.
    Do not go to gear drive cams, that is also the wrong way to go.

    Look at this , and tell us who is gonna do the work.
    Call and talk with Bob Woods, let him suggest which cam for you to go with.

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    cardboard's right on this one, and you get the newer oil pump to boot.
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    cowboy Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes the new pump is good to have & the SE hybrid kit is the way to. Go , as far as going back to a carb at least I can rune it & not cost me a few hundred dollar s to tune up my bike
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    There is a dyna gin ok and floats and seats and jets to work with on a carb

    You cam get a thundermax a/t and it will tune itself as you ride
    Got a buddy who worked at accurate engineering and build old pinheads and all
    He's been to tuning schools
    He builds old bikes,bobbers,bulls and race bikes
    He has explained all of it to me
    I had carb bikes in the 60's
    I've had 5 fuel injected bikes and used over 6 different kinds of tuners

    Until you have worked and tunes fuel injected bikes
    All you have us a opinion
    You do not have any facts
    You can lead folks down the Wong path for workin on their bike
    Be careful
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    cowboy, you an't ever going to hear the end of it, if you're happy then the rest of us should be happy, not everyone can afford $1,000.00 for a tuner. I'm happy with my carb, it's been flowing fuel for 64,000 plus miles. There was 2 bikes sitting next to each other when I bought mine and I picked the carb bike.
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Don't go gear go with the cam conversion kits to change
    over to the newer tensioner and cam and unless you change the
    model of you cam your PC is fine....
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    Wouldn't need a remap going to a bigger cam??
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    Hmmmm
    What if the timin on the cam is different ?
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    Lucifer Well-Known Member

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    You would need to remap the PC then wouldn't you....is what I was suggesting right from the start,note the question marks at the end
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    I put the new style cam chain tentioner in my 2001 Heritag Springer with the new oil pump and works great. Just re-map the power commander if you go with a different cam. I have a carb in it and love the carb.:)
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    When you change cams, the ign timing changes. The ign timing knows when the valves open and closes. And when to put fuel in the bike . You wouldn't ant fuel in the chamber and the valve open and it firing on the wrong stroke.
    Wouldn't run too good.

    go to big boyz heads, look under calculator, then scroll down to twin cam compare. You can pick a cam from a manufacturer you like. Andrews, S & S etc. and put i the first spot (A) then in (B) put in the Harley cam you are thinking about. You can then find a Harley cam close to one of the other hot cams that you read about that you like. It's a good way to compare all the cams and their timing and lift and such.

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    Jims Cycles in Axtell, Texas has been around a while. They used to push Power Commanders. Power Commanders are a cheaper way of doing things.

    If you are going to do something learn to do it right the 1st time.
    Find people that knows something more than you that is in the business.
    Find the folks that has the fastest and best running bikes.
    Don't listen to folks that only know as much as you. YOu git dragged backward.
    Well Jims mechanics have done a lot more schooling, They even have techs there if I remember right from Harley.
    Got a few buddies that live in Killeen and had their bikes worked on.
    Jims Cycles now threw going to schools and the techs they have and the dyno work they have done liked Thunder-Max better than the Power Commander they used to sell.
    They are having super good results with them.
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    Take the fuel injection off yer new limited and put a carb on it.
    Then take the map program off it and put a Power Commander on it. :cussing:
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    Now yer talking sense:D


    No need for a PC with no EFI...go with a SE Adjustable ignition module:devil:;)
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    To gp back to a adjustable ign module I would have to drive 45 miles to ask a buddy of mine who is super good with them.
    Think Old Redneck Chucktx is pretty good with the adjustable modules.
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    HDROADKING62 New Member

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    Thanks for all the information...I'll let you know how I make out.
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    My 2011 Limited bike runs just fine with a HD stage 2 download in it thank you no need for a tuner. The Springer performs excellent with the carb. :D
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    The statement is, if you have a carb on yer bike good. But don't take a EFI system and go back to a carb.
    Some of the downloads I've been seeing in the bike is where the dealer is selling a tune where they did dyno run on another bike with the same setup, they used to not do this. I was at a HD dealer and they showed me that. Its not a HD standard factory download.

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