Chucktx

Can You Believe It Going To Be 100+ This Weekend In Spokane!

I can believe it since we've been in a heat wave hear in New England too. It's been around 98 and humid as hell for the last few days.

In a few more years, at least if you listen to the environmentalists, it will be hot all year round in the north with resorts going up everywhere but snowing 10" at a time in places FL and TX.

Yeah, deer season seems ten years away. I'm gonna have a heckuva electric bill this month.

Well, the Republicans keep saying there isn't any such thing as Global Warming....but I figure most of them have desk jobs in the AC. The neat atomic clock/inside/outside thermometer I got for Christmas has pegged our high temps at 100+ for the last 8 days. Today it only got to 99 so I reckon we have a cold front moving in.....

Ride Free...and stay hydrated.....

Chuck,

I have to disagree with ya on that one. Ya se, it ain't actually mother nature that is causing all the heat. Nope, uh-uh.

It's actually our motorcycles doin' it.

Yup, thas right, our bikes.

I figger that's why the EPA is saving us all from a molten planet by coming after our bikes. It's the only rational explanation there is. Our bikes must be heating up the planet something fierce.



scoot

Global warming and Mother nature

Ya know one thing about a lot of arguments is that both sides are right. We are going through a warming cycle....however the last one we went through most of the palnet was covered in grass and trees instead of concrete and tarmac. Fact is cities create and hold heat. And add that to what Mother Nature sends our way...it adds up. (If you don't really believe this spend a 100 degree day in the middle of a large city like Dallas, Atlanta etc then spend a day same temp in the boonies. I used to camp a lot in the Smokies and one thing you realize fast is when the sun goes down and theres not a lot of concrete to hold the heat....it cools off pretty quick.
As to whether the Republicans or Democrats can or would do anything....doubtful to be sure. while we have a two party system they are like heads and tails on a quarter.....no matter which way you flip it ya still only have two bits.


Rids Free.....

Gotta agree with chucktx, global warming's pretty natural occurance we just sped it up a little. Problem is most of the warming is at the poles, all we seem to have got up here in the northeast is more rain. Hell riding season started out with 45 days of straight wet and slop. As for the politicians fixing it, well I guess that depends on your opinion of politicians, lotta hot air in D.C.

Global warming =

Global cooling =

What science has been proven:

1. There have been numerous shifts in temperature "norms" over the last million years (which is a blink of the eye compared to the 4 Billion years this orb's been spinning). Some can be attributed to increased solar activity (Sun getting hotter) and some to volcanic disturbances (Krakatoa, Mt. Pinatubo,St Helens, etc).
2. The magnetic poles have also flipped polarity many times in the Earth's past. All indications are they will flip again within the next 100-300 years, as there has been significant deviation each year for awhile now.
3. The Sun is near the end of it's regular eleven year heat-up cycle.
4. Man-made global warming is not a scientific certainty. It's based on an increase in (assumedly man-made) carbon dioxide in our atmosphere, but there is no established link between carbon dioxide increases RESULTING in increases in Earth's temperatures. Could easily be the other way around.

But most importantly: I can't friggin' ride if it's too cold - too hard on both the bike & me - and it's never too hot to ride! So let's keep some perspective, shall we?

I agree with what Grey said. I grew up in Phoenix but outside of the then small heat island effect. If you were cruising Central Ave. at 2:00 A.M. it could still be over 90º easy. When I went home, it was in the low 70º range or cooler. The heat island effect is growing constantly.

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There are so many big "howevers" to this story though. We can document shifts in the recorded history of weather and more recently ice coring. I was fortunate enough to fly from McGuire AFB to Thule AFB (Greenland) with an ice coring team. They were doing the exact same thing you see in the opening scenes of the movie "The Day After Tomorrow". This was in 1989 and the science was still fairly new. The scientist I was speaking with explained how they hoped to "read" the core samples. Pretty cool stuff. I also escorted a geological survey team to the ice cap. While the team was doing their thing I was talking to the team leader about the ice cap. How it is actually formed and what the layers we could actually see meant. He pointed out a darker layer and explained that it probably was Mt Saint Helen's ash.

I believe it is a combination of things going on. For one, every animal inhales Oxygen and exhales Carbon Dioxide. The population is increasing every day. The heat islands are growing and we seem to be in a heat cycle.

Still, the recorded history of the earths weather is microscopic compared to recorded time.

Another thing is that the Dummocraps talk big and never do squat either. Al Gore invented the Internet and until recently he never made any noise about green house gasses except whenever Tipper cuts one under the sheets. If you put both of the parties on a coin, both sides would have a horses ass as the image.

Uhm......Doesn't concrete also hold the cold in winter too? I think we have global warming in the summer and global cooling in the winter.

Prolly true if you only rode in the heat island.....Do circles around Atlanta's beltway.

Well, 250 million (or something, a long time ago) they speculate the entire planet was frozen solid all the way to the equator. There was 30 feet thick ice on the seas at the equator. Good news, there were no hurricanes.

During the Jurassic, temps were so high there was no ice on the entire planet.

These are the extremes and nothing about the atmosphere, the environment, animal habitat is static. Everything is always changing. So, humans have helped the warm up a bit? Still a natural occurance since humans are just another animal, dominant of course, but just another of nature's creations.

One thing is certain in nature, you'll never keep things the same. There will always be change. What gets to me is all the doomsday shows they put on the science and discovery channels. Asteroids are going to hit, an island in the atlantic is going to collapse and produce a 1000 ft mega-tsunami, Jellystone is going to blow up and send the earth into mass extinction. I tell ya, we ain't got a chance!

Meanwhile, I just drink a beer to cool off.

Yup, well, I feel that the earth has been heating and cooling for,,, ummm, about a billion years…or more.
Do some research, you will find the same.

““There will always be change. What gets to me is all the doomsday shows they put on the science and discovery channels. Asteroids are going to hit, an island””

Thanks Goose, I think along the same line of thought.

Have a nice day.

Heat Islands, people and action......

It seems to me that the question isn't really if the whole warming deal is caused by mankind or natural phenomena...it is about what the future holds for our great great grandkids and beyond. Sure things constantly change so we sure can't accept that change is inevitable on the one hand and stick our heads in the sand and say we are going to keep on doing things as we have. I personally don't worry much about what the doomsayers have to say. If something like that happens, it happens and we can basically kiss our collective a*&es goodbye. But I am concerned over the cumulative effect of a lot of things. When I was a kid clean water was pretty much the norm. You could eat the fish you caught. Smoking was bad for you but when you weren't breathing smoke you got some decent air. This isn't the case any longer and I wonder what the situation is going to be in another half century.
Fossil fuels are going to run out. Things like nuclear waste has to be disposed of somewhere....now I am not saying that we go back to the dark ages but we need to look towards the true long term solutions. And just like mother nature evolves and change we have to also. I have no idea what a hydragen powered Super Glide would be like.....but it or something else is coming. Progress is a lot like business and as they said in the movie "Get Carter"....ya take care of the business.....or the business will take care of you.
Do I have any clue as what the answer is? He(* no! But like they say at AA realizing there is a problem is the first step in finding an answer.

Ride Free....

After rereading my post, it seemed a little cynical. I would like to add that man has done a great deal of polluting this world, and that everyone should be conscience of that fact. Whenever I’m out and about, camping or fishing or whatever, I try to take more trash home than I brought with me. Ya I know, big deal, but every little bit helps…As I said, this world has been heating and cooling for a very long time, and there is not a whole lot we can do about it.
Have a nice day.

WELL, WHATEVER YOU SAY, TOMORROW IS FORCASTED AT 104, IT FEELS LIKE THAT NOW. BY THE WAY HERE MOST HOUSES DON'T HAVE AC ALL I HAVE IS A WINDOW UNIT AND FANS. LOOKS LIKE A STAY INSIDE BEER DRINKI'N WEEKEND FOR ME. I THOUGHT I LEFT ALL THIS HEAT IN TUCSON AND HOUSTON SO ALL YOU DOWN SOUTH I KNOW YOUR STILL SCORCHEN. I TAKE THE COLD ANY DAY AS LONG AS THE MOON STAYS WELL BE GOOD BUT IT MOVES ABOUT A INCH A YEAR. WATCHED THAT ON NGC THE OTHER DAY ALONG WITH THE ANTI CHRIST SHOW. LOL,LOL.

When I was a kid, the Houston ship channel was dead of fishes. I heard a story of a guy sailing through something that ate the hull of his boat up in the ensuing weeks afterward. Polluting was the norm for industry. The once tourist attracting tarpon runs in the "old river", the Brazos down stream of where the Dow Chemical plant was built in 1942 was denuded of fish in the 50s and the tarpon left. They're now coming back. If you've ever worked in the chemical industry, you realize some of the tightening of regulations concerning pollutants and toxic wastes that the EPA has done over the years. I was the lab tech at a local plant in charge of NOx stack gas and water outfall testing for the EPA start up permits when the plant was build. I worked in the environmental laboratory doing waste water testing and outfall testing and routine bio assays and such. All this was required by EPA. Before it could leave the plant, it had to be clean enough to support Daphnia in a bio assay. It left the plant cleaner than it entered the plant!

There is a big reef system across the bay which holds lots of sea trout and redfish certain times of year. You're not supposed to keep the fish off it due to mercury levels of about 2 ppm in the area from the years that the Alcoa plant dumped waste there. It's been cleaned up, a superfund sight, and parts of it are now open to fishing again. You can fish there, but you're just not supposed to keep 'em, which is stupid, but that's another subject. Anyway, the water is actually getting CLEANER along the Texas coast that in was 30 or 40 years ago. Now, in the third world and even in industrial countries other than the US, things are different. Go test the water and air in Taiwan for instance and tell me they're not polluting. The US has some of the most strict regulation in the world. How about India? Even Europe isn't as clean as the US. So, don't blame it all on America, we're not the problem, if there is a problem.