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Dry sump question

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Tech Talk' started by Panthera, Aug 25, 2009.

  1. Panthera

    Panthera New Member

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    Greetings all,

    I have a question on the dry sump system used on many Harley engines. I have a 95 Sporty, I have had it a few years now. Recently, the oil always seems low before I start it. It does have a slight leak on the engine, but nothing severe.

    Recently I was away from home for a month, so no riding. I returned Sunday, and went riding yesterday. While doing the pre-ride checks, I noticed the oil was quite low, off the stick low. I added some to get it to the stick, and started the bike. Suddenly, the oil was too high! I had to siphon some out. I suspect that when the bike is sitting the oil is slowly leaking into the crankcase.

    Is this normal? Is this something I should be concerned about? If I leave the bike sit over winter, and all the oil ends up int he crankcase, could that cause damage when I start it up?

    Thanks for the help,
    Panth
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Not positive on the sporty but there may be a checkball in the line for the oil and if that ball is sticking open, then when you park the bike it's leaking oil into the engine compartment, then when you start it up the oil begins to return.

    It's also part of the reason the manuals all say to start the bike and check oil warm, not cold, otherwise you'll get a false reading and possibly overfill which is what happened to you.

    is it the end of all things good, no, just a minor issue and I wouldn't worry unless it's draining the whole tank into the engine case.
  3. Panthera

    Panthera New Member

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    Thank HRK,

    I know the actual check should be warm, but I like to first check before starting to make sure there is oil in it. A stitch in time saves nine, and verifying oil saves major engine repairs.

    The amount of oil it took to get it to the stick was about a cup, just to the bottom of the stick, which saved me from having to siphon too much out. I was just worried that if too much drains into the crankcase, there might be too much crankcase pressure on starting.

    Thanks for the help,
    Panth
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Hopefully Al the resident Sporty guru will check in, but my bet is there is a checkball that is not seating and letting oil weep back into the engine...

    I would check and unless it's dry give it a crank and warm it up...

    If there isn't any oil on the floor it's got to be in the cases....
  5. chucktx

    chucktx Moderator Staff Member

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    agree!!! you can also check in the factory service manual for location of the checkball/valve. remove it and clean/change the spring and you will probably be good to go.......but as it sets, no major problem......and not being picky.....the term is "wet sumping" i believe............................just sayin! lol lol
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    nice link!!!!!
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    Yeah Chuck...Bike Bandit is a great site for schematics and hard to find parts for all years, makes and models.
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    Nope. The only time you have problems is when you top the tank off BEFORE starting the bike & many have had the oil cap / dipstick blow right off !

    The fellas already pin-pointed the check valve problem & even brand-new it doesn't work all that well, so over time, oil will gradually drain down into the crankcase. But the oil pump "scavenges" well & if you start the engine & just let it idle for a bit, the pump will return the oil back to the tank & the recirculation process will start working right away.

    Also, people often ask why they see air bubbles on top of the oil in the tank when the engine's running & the reason is that the pump can pull more oil out than is normally there, so it's sucking air too - those bubbles are normal.

    So when you start the bike for the 1st time after it's been sitting for a while, leave the oil cap off & watch the level rise & the air bubbles form. Once the engine has run for a few minutes, then you can change the oil or add a little if necessary.
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    Great explanation, works on big twins too.

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