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Exhaust sucking air

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Tech Talk' started by QuickSand, Jan 6, 2009.

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    QuickSand New Member

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    We just completed 883 converstion, and i think we got a problem.With the bike running i put my hand over the exhaust.The front exhaust will push hand away the rear will will suck hand to the pipe.It doesn,t sound quite right ether.How do i explain this,It seems to have a louder note,not constant but you can really feel it.
    A little more info on the bike.We also installed new cams.The bike starts great,but she has a little slow speed blubbering.Throtlle response is smooth and quick and idles farelly well except that extra pop comeing out off the rear pipe.(Am i paranoid or is something wrong)
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    The difference in exhaust pulses @ your hand front/rear @ idle is normal & it's due the "odd-fire" nature of a 45-degree V-Twin engine. I can explain why, but to be of more help I'd need to know the year model of the bike & which cams you installed.
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    She's a 1998 with n2 cams and cv carb kit.
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    Stock 883 heads?
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    Yep,We did use your suggestions on ring gaps etc.Bike runs reallly well.
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    OK, now I can be of more help - I remembered your name & that you were planning an 883>1200 conversion a while back, but not the details. Don't know which pistons you chose, but for stock 883 heads, KB "reverse dome" pistons retain the stock 9:1 mechanical compression ratio (CR) & Wiseco's are available in 3 versions, 8.5:1, 9.5:1 & 10:1.

    N2 cams raise the effective CR - i.e. cylinder pressure, although they don't increase the mechanical CR. Your bike came with the "D" cams, which have a symetrical pattern intake/exhaust & almost no "overlap". N2's open the intake valve sooner, but also close it sooner & the exhaust timing is different too. In previous posts I've really gotten into cam lift, duration, timing so I won't do it again here, but the point is compression can't build until the intake valve has closed & when you close it sooner, the actual cylinder pressure you get will be higher.

    That makes the engine act like it's got a higher mechanical CR than it actually does & with the higher CR pistons Wiseco makes for 883>1200 conversions + N2 cams, "pinging" is a known problem. Your bike came from the factory with the ignition timing a bit more advanced than it should be & that adds to the problem. Going too rich on the carb setup will drown it & that's what so many (especially H-D dealers) do.

    But let's fix the problem instead. Definitely check all intake & exhaust joints/seals & replace if you even think they are bad. The SE exhaust gaskets are far superior to the stock ones. Back the ignition timing off 2-4 degrees. Your baseline carb setup is 42 slow, 175 main, N65C needle & 2.5 turns out on the idle mixture screw. Let us know how it goes.
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    Great info,
    She does have ping when you first take off,then you don't hear it again as you accelerate.The jets are 45-180 i'll step'em down tomorrow and test runner.I'll get back with you on it's progress.
    Thank you for the help

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