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Discussion in 'Pull up a chair and sit for a spell' started by JohnnyBiker, Jul 8, 2015.

  1. JohnnyBiker

    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

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    Hot Rider and I have decided to build a detached garage on our property instead of putting a 12×16 storage shed. As of right now I am looking at minimum of a 22×22. We decided of course that it will be heated and rigged with 220 volt. The cement will have a spot cut into the floor for the bike lift. Also going to put a coating on the floor before anything is added to the inside. Should be pretty sweet.
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    Any sort of floor drainage for melting snow from snowmobiles?
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I'd suggest you put in radiant heat in the floor, should be a god send for you up in
    snowville... with a remote activation switch so you can turn it on from the house
    before you go out there LOL

    Maybe even a few solar panels on the roof to power the place.
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    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

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    Snowmobiles can stay outside in the winter. Lol
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Ya need a drain so you don't have to go back to the
    house to take a leak in the -20 degree winters.
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    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

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    Why bother? It'll be frozen!
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Not if you drink enough beer and piss in it enough.

    Bury it below the frost line, put the drain in the center,
    heat the floors with radiant solar heat, and a backup
    on demand water heater, that way during the day the
    sun will warm your garage and you won't freeze out
    there for 3/4's of the year wrenching....
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    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

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    That is a little more involved than what it needs to be. Lol Heat and power for sure. ;)
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    solar hot water heaters are not too spendy,
    and a small pump to move the water would
    be good to warm up the place, then again it might
    be too cold in the winter for one

    Radiant heat in the floor would have the building warm
    enough for you to work comfortably. Put in a 55 inch
    flat screen a fridge, big leather chair and a urinal and you are
    golden...
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    Be careful of epoxy coatings due to the impermeable nature of them. But I'm sure you'll research coatings thoroughly.
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    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

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    Can you elaborate on this?
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    Concrete always contains some moisture. Even if there is a vapor barrier under the slab (which is much better than not having one in general). Moisture expands when subjected to freezing temps. I know you will heat the garage but should you not have it heated 24/7 the garage in winter will drop below freezing. Epoxy coatings effectively seal moisture out of but also in the concrete. When the concrete reached freezing temps the moisture expands and will blister off. Ever see a painted concrete stoop or patio with the paint/coating blistering off? Another bad practice (but loved by asphalt companies) is sealing asphalt driveways. Asphalt is even more porous than concrete. Sitting on the ground it also "breathes" moisture out during warming and freezes during winter. The signs of this is the "alligator-ing" cracking that looks like alligator skin in the asphalt. My neighbors driveways get sealed, mine not. They lasted about 8-9 years and needed replacing. Mine at 23 years looks great. Rule of Nature : the ground contains moisture, asphalt and concrete is porous and will contain moisture especially when on the ground.
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    Yep, they need to breath so to speak especially where you have drastic changing seasons.
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    I stained my concrete in the garage, we didn't get good
    adhesion with the epoxy coating and the hot tire
    soaked into it and pulled up the epoxy during the summer.

    When you go into most big box stores being built now
    and a lot of dealers, you find stained concrete not coated
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    Oh about a 24 by 24 or just under, would save a lot of wood and other materials,if that is what you are making of. A lot less cutting JMHO, size does matter in garages LOL
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    In your case I suspect the contractor didn't prepare the concrete properly + the product was either inferior quality or not mixed properly. I have been involved with bridge deck overlays (including one in Ft Lauderdale) and military aircraft hangars and high end auto dealers without joy or heavy tires affecting it. Also a M1 Tank refurb shop in Atlanta. NYC buses, on and on!
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    I don't need anything larger than a 24×24. I have a two stall attached garage, this one will be for my shop area and other small items like motorcycles, snowmobiles, things like that.
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    i have radiant in my shack slabs. putting 89 degree water in, set the t stat at 71 and forget it. very sweeeeet..
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    That's what I was saying to him, run radiant heat, not only will it be
    nicer to work there, you won't have the expansion and contraction
    swings from -30 to 80 degree temps, and resale value will
    go up.

    Put a solar hot water collector on the roof to help keep costs down.
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    i think your prolly right about the resale value. it should be that way actually. costs a lot to do radiant. by the time you get your foam, tubing, staples, sleeves and manifolds you'll have quite an investment.. then the plant and controls come in.. i went with propane because of the low temp needed. that and no chimney or oil tank leaves a lot more room.. luckily i don't need to hire someone to do it or i'd of never been able to swing it..

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