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Inner clutch hub

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Tech Talk' started by Texas Road Glide, Apr 29, 2007.

  1. Texas Road Glide

    Texas Road Glide New Member

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    hey guys,

    working on the harley this weekend,i found some troubling stuff to me.
    clutch has'nt been workin right for a while,neutrel has been hard to find,and just hard to shift. so i took off my derby cover to tae a look see, what i found was a broken bolt, 1 of the 4 bolts that go through the ajuster plate snapped.so i pulled the other 3 out,and the cluth pack came off in my hand. so i pulled the outer primary to get a better look and to remove the cluth pack,and ajuster plate. after that what i found was 4 broken spacer knobs, that come off the inner hub or at least i thought they were spacers,but what it really looks like is they were connected to the inner hub,but all 4 broke off smooth. "and chuck i have been using the manual, i have come to the conclusion i just cant read"
    so all that stands between me and the inner hub is this big 1" nut,wich i asumme is a left hand nut??? was'nt able to get it off.
    dose it take a special tool, to remove that nut????
    i stuck a pry bar inbtween to ajuster bolts that i stuck in to keep the hub from turning, and it bent the bolts!!

    so what am i doing wrong??
    how do i get that inner hub off???
    this is an 86 tour glide with and evo motor, and 5 speed tranny, wet clutch.



    TRG
  2. AFNurse

    AFNurse Moderator Staff Member

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    TRG,
    Sounds like a BIG Sux to be you situation..... I am of no help except from the sidelines..... if it is of ANY consolation....took the daughter to a pay to catch stocked catfish pond (yup....same one as before) and she/we caught 23 pounds of cat in 7 fish......BIG ones this time!!;) only cost.....well, lets just say it was almost a visit to the HD shop.......wife doesn't know the HD part!!!:roflmao:
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    voodoochild New Member

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    Hey TRG, I don't remember if it's left hand or not, but do you have an electric impact wrench?? I used one on my bike to get some of the large bolts off instead of bustin my hands up. If you use one you can hold the other part with your hand while the impact does the work. I have an electric one for doing deck lag bolts, works great. Good luck bro, sorry to hear of your bad luck.:(
  4. chucktx

    chucktx Moderator Staff Member

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    dont use the impact....with the primary chain still on the sprockets,place a piece of wood between the chain and sprockets....it will turn until it binds...then ya can loosen it up....normally you would take an old clutch plate, and weld a handle on it then slip it onto the clutch studs and let tthe handle rest on the floor and unscrew the nut through the big center hole in the clutch plate, but from what i can gather, you have no studs anymore....also make sure the lockwasher...it has tabs on it....are all unlocked...might be 3 or 4 tabs bent over......keep us posted..
  5. chucktx

    chucktx Moderator Staff Member

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    im ready for some nice channel cat....fried up nice with hushpuppies....mmmmmm
    i bet your daughter is one proud fisherman!!!!!
    good for you.....
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    voodoochild New Member

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    Hey Chuck, why no impact if your just removing the bolts?? I did the same with the block of wood thing, and just used the impact very gingerly. It came off in a snap. :confused:
  7. chucktx

    chucktx Moderator Staff Member

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    the reason i dont recomend an impact.....threads are easily gaulded by the high speed, and on the clutchhub nut it is fine threads. a lot of folks dont use them gingerly...they just hammer away and end up doing more damage than good. i use impacts, but have 40 years of experience with them....the casual user could cause themselves more problems.....jmo.
    i figure trg has had enough problems this week!!!!!:D
    if a person wants to use one, i just recomend using it with caution.....actually after breaking the tension by hand, then spining it off with the impact will make a job a bit faster......
  8. chucktx

    chucktx Moderator Staff Member

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    one other thing on impacts, i cant tell you how many damaged threads i have repaired from folks using one to install nuts and bolts.....just a rambling thought.....
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    cowboy Moderator Staff Member

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    Man that suc's , sound's like it was not put together right to start with , & do just as chuck say's or you will have a bunch of hard earned Money spent at some shop you don't need
    :cool:
  10. hotroadking

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    Ok you need to do a couple of things.

    Get an aluminum pipe from Lowes about $4 for 3ft this is your breaker bar

    You need a large socket for the comp nut which JMO getting off with an impact is ok, putting on isn't ok. But you can loosen with the breaker bar, I believe the socket is like 1 1/4 inch but it's at home and I don't recall exactly,

    Remove the comp nut and assembly and set asside leaving the chain and inner gear on the shaft,
    Remove the adjuster cover and nuts
    Remove the clutch hub nut, left handed thread again use the breaker bar.

    Pull both off the comp gear, chain and clutch assembly

    Dissasemble the clutch, pulling the spring, cover, clutch and steel plates.

    If you have a press, remove the C clip from the back of the clutch hub and press out the inner hub. Get your new hub load up the clutch bearing with assembly lube and press the new inner hub into the outer hub. Get it to seat and install C clip.

    Put some antiseize on the trans mainshaft for the clutch hub to go back over.

    Clean up the threads on the comp nut and clutch basket nut use brake cleaner to get the old locktite out.

    Slide basket, chain and sprocket gear on as one unit, best done with a friend to help hold one or the other you may have to wiggle the clutch basket a bit.

    Should seat all the way back.


    Reassemble per the manual, you have to put the plates back in a specific order. Check them while they are out, if worn replace.

    The comp nut gets red locktite and 100+ ft pounds of torque, if you don't have a tq wrench I use the PFT setting on my breaker bar.

    Clutch basket gets less tq.

    Set the primary adjuster so you have about 5/8's movement up and down on the chain.

    Adjust the clutch per the manual, I find it best to dial back the fine adjuster on the cable, then pull in and push out the clutch handle a few times to seat the balls and ramps in the trans cover, then leave the lever in and screw in the adjuster at the clutch, the lever should move out, get it to where you can pull the cable away from the housing about a dimes width +/- a bit. Lock down the jam nut with some blue loctite on the clutch adj nut only,

    I made up a socket with a nut on top so I can use an open end wrench while holding the adjuster with a T allen.

    Now you can reassemble, clean all the primary cover bolts and blue loctite them, put on new gasket, cuss while it continues to fall off and not stay on the HD alignment pins, finally get it on .

    I use an electric battery scrfewdriver or drill set on the lowest tq setting with an allen bit to put the screws in. Otherwise you'll be there all day putting them on by hand.

    Tighten to tq by hand though in the proper patter

    Refil with 710:roflmao:

    Ride and fine adjust with the adjuster on the cable.
  11. hotroadking

    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Forgot we made a little three step lock tool out of some plastic, looks like three stairs on one side and the rest of the block on the other, locks right in there won't damage teeth etc.

    Jims makes and sells one, but you can make your own.
    Its called the All Primary Locking Tool PN 2234 on page 39 of the catalog complete tools section 20 which you can download. See the image and see what I mean about making one up out of a hard plastic.


    Wood won't work well it will chew it up then you get to clean more stuff.
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    I use a hard rubber door stop. It works like a champ.
  13. Texas Road Glide

    Texas Road Glide New Member

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    did'nt get a chance to mess with yesterday,work got the best of me.
    if work does not kick my ass today, i will give it another try.
    thanks guys, for evrything...

    TRG
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    Texas Road Glide New Member

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    well,
    i got the clutch basket off, but that compinsating nut is kickin my ass.......
    pouting cause the dam thing is beating me.....
    was size nut is that watto thing, cresent was the only thing i have big enough.....



    trg
  15. Texas Road Glide

    Texas Road Glide New Member

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    i blame my poor reading skills on texas education, spelling too for that matter!!!
    after reading roadkings post a jillion times, i will be heading to the store this morning and buy an 1 1/4" socket, to remove the comp nut,after i remove the gear set, all that i can see that stands between me an the inner primary is the starter gear, if i pull the inner primary,will i be able to change the front belt pulley with out much hassle, i want to switch to a 34 tooth on the front,and i figure hell i am this far into it, might as well go all the way.....
    to tell the truth, i would not have made it this far,with out all help i have received from you guys.......thanks

    TRG

    p.s.

    Thanks hotroadking for putting it into terms than even a slow idiot can understand, very much appeciated, sounds crazy.....but the manual just makes it worst for me, reading and re-reading your post has helped me out the most, i know i will re-read it, a bunch more times before i am through.
    Last edited: May 6, 2007

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