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Intake seals

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Tech Talk' started by slipcork, Nov 28, 2011.

  1. slipcork

    slipcork New Member

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    Hi guys new to the forum I need help with seal problem they have been changed by me 6 times professonal change twice the thing is when bike gets hot the seal leaks the seals don't leak when frist put in only after riding for 5 miles or so
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    Sounds like your not drawing them in equally a few turns on one bolt& then the other bolt same amount
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    slipcork New Member

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    thanks for your answer but it is not just me installing the seals they where put in by harley shop also I 'm thinking something is wrong with a head or one is getting to hot does any body know what the temp on heads should run
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    get some hylomar and coat the flats then install it will seal up.

    Check the intake and the flanges, there is a front and rear, make sure they
    are lined up, it's amazing these seal at all.
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    slipcork New Member

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    thanks hotroadking WHAT IS HYOMAR and where can be found
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    It's a sealer used on things like this any autoparts store

    I'd check the parts and alignment first, warm bike up
    take an unlit propane torch, set throttle stop to hold idle at 1500
    and then open torch and hold to front seal then rear see if idle changes
    tells you which is leaking, be sure it's the seals first, check it all first
    to see if you can locate the problem area. It might be one or the seal to the
    carb.

    Find the problem first.
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    slipcork New Member

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    they always leak from front seal on bottom side only. can get them to seal until motor gets good an warm it's always front seal
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    check the flanges might be
    the problem I can't see where 6 seals would
    go out with different people

    When the engine gets warm/hot it grows, not much
    but a v gets taller and thus wider apart
    the seals might not be clamping correctly
    around the intake on the inside of the seal
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    baggerpaul Well-Known Member

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    hylomar is an anarobic sealant . it only starts to harden were there is no oxegen present on a machined surface it will seal . two machined surfaces together with no gasket at all very well . and inpefections up to 2.5 Thousands out. so for our perfectly machined harley surfaces:roflmao: it perfect! use it you will be happy if you do. next time you have the intake off .just start to snug it use the carb and air cleaner housing to get the intake lined up the best you can . snug it a bit more then pull the carb and air cleaner back off and finish snuging it down the rest of the way . the angle of the intake effects the way they seal a bit also. good luck and happy wrenching!;)
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    slipcork New Member

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    thanks baggerpaul for the info. I will try hylomor and if this works
    I have no problem getting it to seal just keeping it sealed always on front clyinder bottom of seal is where leaks thanks again for yours and hotroadkings advice
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    check the metal bits though,
    if it's doing it after all these attempts
    one thing is consistent and that something
    is not aligning or, properly machined.

    The flanges should have markings for F and R
    make sure they are in the correct position.

    Replace the rear allens with hex head bolts
    easier to tighten and each bolt should have a flat
    washer to disburse the pressure

    be sure the seals are in the correct position and direction

    Make sure the intake doesn't have a gouge or is out of shape
    (could have been dropped, warped, bad from the factory) same
    for the flange on the front.

    If the flanges are not marked F and R, swap them, see if the problem moves to the rear
    or get a new front flange from a dealer and replace it with a new gasket...
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    well guys took your advice got some hlyomar sealant and new seals install them yesterday did't work same thing sealed at frist then engine good and warm seal leaks . one thing I did notice air is only come out of one vent and that is the rear head I thought both heads vent back to carb. should air be venting from both heads
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    Yes they should . Breather bolt clogged?
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    after all that has been done ,new seals,new intake ,new flanges, tried hlyomor sealant with no sucess I believe it's time to change head . has to be a milling problem or something
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    man i find it hard to understand that . the temp on the intake side of the head is not hot enough to warped;) there i may be wrong but i doubt it . before you pull the head take a strait edge and put it across the intake port and see if its strait those seals are very thick and desighned to deal with the inperfections of the head it would have to be out like sixty thousands .or more for that matter . do you have studs or bolts in the intake side of that head? if they are bolts my question would be are the bolts bottoming out before the intake is getting tight . and if there is studs are you running out of threds before the flanges pull up tight? do your home work . further more not trying to be a smart ass here when you are checking for this intake leak are we blocking the carb cleaner from reaching the carb with a piece of card board . in other words do we really have an intake leak or a front cylinder that is lean and the extra fuel is making it run properly . take a piece of cardboard and cut a slot at the bottom so that you can slide it over the back side of the air cleaner . so that extra fuel is not getting to the carb . and then you wont get a false reading from the motor .Then spray around the intake seal and see if the idle has a change does the idle drop or go high ? As you allready know the front cylinder is allways leaner than the back maybe your slow jet is actually to small , and when you spray the intake area you were getting fuel vapor in the carb and were over comming that lean condition . most intake leaks are found when the motor is cold . when the motor gets hot every thing grows tight . lets not forget that the angle the heads and intake are in . Hope this helps out some . hate to see you pull a head for no good reason.;)
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    to late already pulled heads I bought this bike about a year ago always had trouble with the way it ran.so I don't know if I bought a problem or not. I tried the cordboard trick I thougt the same thing as you low speed jet is a 48 idle mixture is at about 3 turns. bought a set of heads that only have about 1400 miles on them I hope I'm not doing all this work for nothing but I could not think of any thing else it could be we will know by next weekend I hope believe me pulling the heads was last option
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    Oh well hope you get it strait now . Sorry for typing so slow. Lol good luck let us know if ya got it fixed..

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