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Lifter noise

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Tech Talk' started by sean, Apr 6, 2009.

  1. sean

    sean New Member

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    I have a 06 streetglide with polished and ported heads,bigger valves,tw8 woods cam and adj. push rods. Just bought this bike 3 weeks ago. Seems to me that it has alot of lifter noise. The bike only has 3500 miles on it,and it is running syn3 oil. Some people tell me I need to run a heavier oil in it. Need some answers.:confused:
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    Sean - Check for excessive play in the lifters by pulling the covers off and turn the the lifter to check for loose play. Should turn with a little effort but no play. Glad to see another trucker on this forum; if you get out this way give me a PM and we'll grab a cup. I'm only 10 mins away from the Truck stop in Fort Wayne.
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  3. hotroadking

    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    you won't be able to turn the lifters, they have anti rotation bars.

    If you used timesaver HD pushrods (adjustables) when the cam is on the back side (TDC for piston) the valve is closed and that is when you adjust the pushrods.

    Woods cams are noisy so just remember that not all and if setup correctly they can be pretty quiet but they are famous for clickty clickty with fast ramps etc.

    If you used HD pushrods they are non tapered and wide and famous for rubbing the heads and making noise or hitting the inside of the pushrod tube.

    You can remove the clip on the pushrod cover with a flat blade screwdriver, pull down the top half and check the sides of the push rod for scuff marks

    Then pull up the tube and I use a small bungee cord to hold it up, one end on a wire or cable and one under the bottom lip of the cover.

    When the lifter is down (TDC) you should be able to spin the pushrod but no up and down or side to side movement.

    SNS makes travel limiters that help greatly with lifters by stopping complete bleed down, helping starting etc you might need these with the woods cams.

    I'd check pushrods with the motor cold to turn over, remove plugs put in 5th gear and get someone to rotate the rear tire while it's on a jack, watch the front piston and when it's at TDC stop rotating, then work on the front pushrods.

    Then get the back at TDC and do the same.
  4. sean

    sean New Member

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    thanks I'm going to try this out. what do you think about useing a heavier oil?
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    08XModel New Member

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    I wouldn't use a heavier oil. I run amsoil 20-50 and no complaints at all. Heavier oil just might cover up the problem that you are having.
  6. hotroadking

    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Check the HD SM there are ok grades up to straight 60, depends on the temps in your area, you can even run 40 if you are Nannook of the North and ride on the ice in the winter... lol

    If you have no idea on how to adjust the pushrods, or do the mechanical work get help, don't fubar a motor by opening one up to far and then starting the motor and bending a valve.

    If you know what you are doing fine, I just say this because I have no idea what you understand about the process.

    As you lengthen the pushrod to take up slack if you go to far you start to bottom out the hydraulic part of the lifter then you begin to open the valve

    Zero lash means that everthing is touching but nothing is moved from the original sitting position, the rod should twirl beteen thumb and first finger but no up/down side to side play.

    You want to go a turn to a turn and 1/2 past zero, set each push rod then test ride to see if the noise is gone, some like it tight (two turns) some less to get the motor quiet.
  7. sean

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    thanks agian for the reply. if i was to pull the push rod covers off,would i be able to tell if there is to much slack in the push rods with out going to tdc? if they need adjusting i will let the shop do it so I can watch. This is how I have learned most of what I Know about bikes. This is the first bike I have had with any eng. mods. In the past I have had 4 IronHeads, 75 flh and last year I bought a 01 flhrci which I am trying to sell now. I love this StreetGlide and it seems like it's a real runner,just worried about the excess noise I'm hearing.
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    If you just built yer motor they probaly put stronger valve springs in like they did on my Stage 2 1/2 R&R heads. yer gonna hear the noise.
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    Makes it a little tough because we can't hear what you hear but in my experience of running a Wood cam (W6H in my 80"), they are a bit noisey due to the quick opening and closing ramps of the cams profile. For torque, he designs them with high lifts and reletively short duration and short overlap.

    You shouldn't have to adjust hydraulic lifters unless you have a problem like a loose jam nut or adj wrong in the first place.

    Don't know what oil you are running but for that motor, a 20-50 should cover all but very extreme conditions.

    JMO but if you don't believe me, just ask me.
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    Screaming Eagle push rods

    I also have a little noise at first start up and some backfiring. I have done all of the work myself on the engine sence I have owned it.2k roadglide. I can't remember how many turns after 0 lash di I adjust. I thought it was 2.2 1/2. I read you adj hd 1- 1 1/4 They maybe be different then the eagles. Different thread maybe?
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Each manuf is different, even the new HD's have changed as they changed the number of flats to reduce the number of turns you have to make.
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    best guess

    I purchased them about a year ago. What would be your best guess
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    What I would do is call whomever you got them from, if it's HD they can print out the instructions at the counter for them or call the service dept they should be able to tell you.
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    You could get a thread gage from the local autoparts dealer to try to figure out the # of threads per inch. Once you have that # then all you do is divide the thread/inch by 10 and that should be the number of turns you need to set them into the lifters 0.100".

    Example: If the push rods have 32 theads per inch then you need to turn them 3.2 turns past zero lash. It sounds like the SE ones you have are 24 threads per inch therefore that would be 2.4 turns past zero lash.
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    SE quick install Adjustale pushrods is 2 1/2 turns.
  16. hotroadking

    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Glad you chimed in I could not remember the number of turns past zero and didn't want to give out bad info.

    2.4 turns it is...
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    thank you I am going to do that. the nice weather is here and I am dieing to ride.
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    After I put the SE quick install pushrods in my bike , I took the instructions and put in the HD manual that I went and bought so I would have them for future reference and I would know where to look for them.
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Yeah that planning shidt works out sometimes huh LOL
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    thing is, cb cant read without his glasses, and he never knows where they are at..................sheesh!!!!!!! lol lol lol

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