Look what we git for bailin out GM

Thanks For The Bailout Suckers; GM to invest extra $540 million in Mexico to build motors | Red White Blue News

This is from a Dude that bought a GM and how he feels about it.



GM creates 1000 jobs in mexico... the US taxpayers bail them out (not entirely willingly), then help make them viable again by buying cars from them and now they're walking accross the border...

side note - why do we have a immigration problem? mexico has jobs popping up EVERYWHERE down there. they're below 6% unemployment! and their unemployment numbers have been shrinking for the past 4 yrs i think. IL's number just fell below 9% for the first time in a looong time (on par with the US i guess).

Are you suggesting that GM or any car manufacturer for that matter is going to pass the savings that they get for moving down to Mexico to us??? Cmon FLHT, you know that isn't going to happen... So what is the "benefit" of having those engines built down there?????

I agree with your take on the unions though.......

Just hurts the U.S. GDP.....And they will still charge the same amount of money for their crappy cars....So where is the benefit??? If we are that many jobs less, how does this help the AMERICAN people????? Just because they aren't union down there doesn't mean that the savings that GM benefits from will be passed to the American people, just more profits for them, but that means more Americans out of work......if more Americans are out of work, how are they to afford things such as housing, new cars and other things??????

I am not a fan of unions either.. BUT, if I had a choice of having an American employed in the U.S. through a union and or having the union dissolved because it move out of the country for cheaper labor and taking jobs away....I would go with the union, just to keep those jobs in the country and Americans employed.......

The union auto workers here git over a hundred dollars a hour with benefits man.:cussing:

and to top it off, it's 6:30pm here in the east and we're still here! Did Mr. Camping mean the end of the world is at 6pm Eastern time or some other time zone? I hope I didn't charge up all my goodies and will have to pay for them? OMG!

HRK, I guess I am a little confused as to why the argument about unions or non unions??? I do not like the unions. I, like FLHT think that at one time unions were necessary, but think that they have outlived their usefulness and have become a destructive force rather than a helpful one...I will never disagree with how the unions affect you and I.

With this being said, of course I think that GM should be allowed to make money, but the problem is that they are back to giving the outrageous bonuses on the borrowed dollar and they now want to move JOBS out of the U.S. What is so hard to understand about how disruptive this is?????? Yes it is a good thing....But for who????????? Not you or I who ends up on the bread line because they want to make more money...which I do not have a problem with.....Listen, the American people unwillingly bailed them out of trouble and they repay us by wanting to move jobs out of this :gah:country??????:gah::rant::cussing: How are people going to afford to buy their cars if no one has a job to pay for it????

You kind of answered your own question with your comparison of KIA to Chevy. If Chevy cannot find a way to stay competitive, and do it without borrowing from you or I, then maybe they do not deserve to be in business. This is what got them into trouble.....lack of real innovation!!!

You asked if I were to make a 50k from the sale of my home what would I do.. I would pay down debt.....I hate debt. If I have 50k worth of debt after the sale of my home, then I made no progress at all. I may have just barley made a profit or just broke even or maybe I still owe???? What did Chevy or Dodge really learn from getting bailed out???

KIA has about 5 models. How many does Chevy and GM have?? How about Dodge???? Most of these two companies models are all the same plus or minus trim, and interior package? They have over extended themselves and they haven't learned to stop....

So is it really the Unions fault that this happened????? Good business means that you adapt to your environment. GM and Dodge didn't do that. Ford did.
Speaking of Ford, Ford has all of those gizmos that you speak of that KIA has, they were in that 09 F-150 that I was looking at, and Ford makes money, stays in the U.S. has the same unions and didn't ask or receive one dime from you or I to do it. Going to a place that has no unions will never compensate for shiitty management.....

We have GM and Chrysler Plants here too...we also threw in a chunk of change to bail them out....
Ottawa doesn't regret GM bailout - Windsor - CBC News

Whose Auto Bailout Is Most Expensive? Go Canada! - TIME

Complain all you want but don't forget the reason unions started was because of the greediness of managers taking all the profits for themselves and creating horrible conditions for the workers.

The reason they get 100 grand w/benefits like Cardboard says is because it was negotiated during profitable times when the managers where getting 100 Gs or more in bonuses every year. All of a sudden the company starts to go down and now its the Unions fault???:witsend:

I'm not saying I am totally pro union, I know they got their issues, but you have to explain all the elements. Don't just jump on Unions and not look at what the managers and executives are doing. They ain't without blame my friend.