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My Sturgis Pics for 2010

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Tech Talk' started by Tomflhrci98, Aug 7, 2010.

  1. Tomflhrci98

    Tomflhrci98 Active Member

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    Nope, this is the right place for them.

    I didn't make it this year. A couple of weeks ago I started getting an intermittent loud rapping sound at all speeds. When it finally happened in the garage at idle I was able to get a stethoscope on it and found it was the front exhaust valve. I swapped out the front two lifters but it did not solve the problem and it finally got worse. I installed a pressure gage to make sure it wasn't oil pressure. I know I was having a small valve seal leak in the front so I figured that maybe it was creating so much carbon deposits that it may have started to hang up the exhaust valve. Here are the pics of my trip to Sturgis 2010.

    Looks like a lot of carbon deposits. Does anyone think it could have stuck the exhaust valve open? I'll take it to the speed shop on Monday.

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    cowboy Moderator Staff Member

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    pic 1 look's like the exhaust valve is burnt a little on the left side , right around the lip , or is that all build carbon build up ?
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    Tomflhrci98 Active Member

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    Yesterday my indy owner and I took the exhaust valve out and the valve seal fell out on the table. These heads only have less than 5k on them. I guess you get what you pay for. I got them off ebay as "new" SE heads from Chillicothi, OH HD dealer for I think it was $675.00. The carbon build up was so bad that it pitted the exhaust valve face so i had to get that dressed up too.

    I'm going to have to scrap the top of the piston off as well. :(
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    To prevent this, I usually run a tank of racing fuel through the bike to help prevent build up like this. That is a lot of carbon build up for less than k on them. glad you were able to get it worked out fast before it caused more issues. :witsend:?
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    Tomflhrci98 Active Member

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    All the carbon was from the oil being sucked past the valve seals that wheren't in place right. I don't think it was from fuel.

    I had to pull the pistons tonight. It was the only way to clean them off too. I got to clean the pistons and scrap the gasket areas on the jugs.... all the tedious crap. The inside of the cylinders are looking good. They didn't get scratched from all the carbon build up on the pistons.

    I got to entertain the o'lady for a couple of days first, prolly finish it this weekend.
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Route the breather tube to the ground (or air)

    That will help quite a bit as well, if you get a lot of carbon
    and you see oil in the intake it's possible the oil
    pump is not aligned properly.

    Remove exhaust and cam cover, then remove the
    outer cam gears and chain, Remove the 4 bolts for the oil pump

    Put bike in 5th gear and rotate the engine, the oil pump will
    move around and find it's natural center, then lock it down..

    You can do this with the cyl off, and then align the cam gears and put her back together...
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    Hey Tom, sorry to hear that this kept you from Sturgis this year. On the bright side this could have been much worse if discovered a 100 miles from nowhere. Years ago I had a new bike develop the same problem with a valve seal. In contrast I've put on high mileage used heads that never had a problem, so sometimes its just the luck of the draw.

    Since its all broken down are you planning on having all the valve seals replaced on both heads?
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    Tomflhrci98 Active Member

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    kenfuzed, Yup, got both heads off and gave them to Mark at American Motorcycle Shop near San Bernardino. He's a one man shop, and old timer that works mostly on knuckles and pans. He's gonna replace all the valve seals and clean out all the carbon and dress up the one exhaust valve that got all pitted

    I got the pistons on my bench at home and will start to clean them off with the dremmel tomorrow. I just got back from Morrow Bay with the wife so now it's back to working on the bike

    hotroadking, I used to route the breathers to the ground but now I got that Arlen Ness backing plate so I cant do it. I may have to look for the other type of backing plate. I got the S&S breather so I don't have to worry bout breather timing and it's an EVO so I don't think oil pump alignment matters. But, I could be wrong, God knows, I been wrong before :rolleyes:

    I'll let you know how it goes.
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Tom you can route at least on the SE backing plate to the air, I'll have to find the specs but I've done it on an 06 with the hd se backing plate (same thing.)

    Basically you drill an access hole behind the plate into the housing, then, tap and insert a brass hose barb from an ace type hardware store, it's threaded on one end, NPT, so then you'll have taps for external breathing.

    Then, you tap the end of the banjo bolts that go into the heads and put in a small
    screw in the end to block them off, presto chango- instant external breather routing!

    29478-05A cast plate by HD Screaming Chicken

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    Wouldn't plugging the banjo bolts block the air from coming out of the head?
    Wouldn't you want to block the passages in the backing plate?
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    Tomflhrci98 Active Member

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    I think that's what he meant or at least that's the way I took it.

    I got engine all back together over the weekend. All seems to be running good now. I drove it to work this morning. So far so good.:D

    I'm going to check the condition of the plugs from time to time before I do that modification to run the breathers to the ground, although I like what he did in the picture. I know I could do that.
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Tom that is correct

    The screw that closes off the end of the breather is small and still allows the banjo
    bolts to function.

    YOu tap the bottom of the housing, be careful and measure twice cut once
    align it to the engine and hold the barbs up to see what is best on your bike.

    I had a spare backing plate that was cracked and we found
    that with the barbs we had they were too long to go high and up over the intake
    down the frame as I'd have like to do.

    the Brass fittings are easily obtained at any Ace hardware as
    well as the tap, you'll need an NPT tap for this brass fitting.

    Then you need band claims, hose and a T fitting,
    drop two hoses equal length from the fittings
    down behind the backing plate, either put a filter there
    with dual inlets, or, a T and run the hose between the cyl and down behind the primary, or, over the front of the rear cyl and down behind the trans,

    it's your choice...
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    Just a thought but if adding external reliefs (fittings into dump hoses) you want to make sure the passages leading into the intake are sealed off. Otherwise instead of oil and blow-by exiting the hoses you could be drawing in outside air that isn't cleaned by the air cleaner. One solution as sort of a safety would be to add a PCV valve which acts as a check valve and allows air to only move in one direction. It is the concept used by Krank Breathers which were proven to be useless years ago, but used in this manner could benefit.
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    thats where you block the bolts with a small screw, slightly larger than the outlet in the banjo bolt on the inside, red locktite or JB weld, put in screw.
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    Tomflhrci98 Active Member

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    I'm wondering if I should try to make the hole in the bolts smaller? It just seems to me to be an awfully large hole through the bolts and through the backing plate. Maybe I should add a little restriction like close off some of the hole. I don't think the twin cam heads have as big a bolt as the EVO heads do? But, I suppose it will just fill up with oil after not so long. The umbrellas are a stupid design I guess.

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