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New tires - old rims

Discussion in 'Pull up a chair and sit for a spell' started by joshbob, Jan 17, 2011.

  1. joshbob

    joshbob Well-Known Member

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    I just got my retro Avons installed on my HD wheels. They look great! When I went to the shop to pick them up, the owner told me that when they removed the old tire (5x16, rear) there was so much rust on the inside of the wheel that they had to spend a lot of time wire brushing it. Then they installed an extra wide rim strip to cover as much of the rusted area as possible. As they were pumping up the new tire & inner tube, it blew off the rim and injured the guy, hitting him in the chest. They had to put on a new inner tube and only pumped up the tire to 22 lbs. It's rated for 35. He said the rim was old and thought that was why the tire blew off. Now I'm afraid to pump it up to the recommended pressure. The front one seems okay.
    I suspect that they put too much air in the tire to begin with, but they wouldn't say. Should I try pumping it up to 35?
  2. chucktx

    chucktx Moderator Staff Member

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    wow.......first, make sure the tire is the same as the rim. ya need to dismount the tire and look at the rim. from where im sitting it seems hard to believe the tire came off the rim unless the rim is junk. the rim needs to be inspected. post a pic if ya can.
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    Josh I'am with chucktx here , eather they did'nt mount the tire right or there's a small bend in the rim/lip & it let the tire slid off , it might have a long type but not that noticable bend in the outer lip , But if your old tire held air I doubt that
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    Wideglide85 Active Member

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    Seems to me that if your wheels were in that bad of shape, the shop should have refused to mount the new tires, on account of safety issues.
  5. joshbob

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    The tire and wheel are both 5x16. It is true that the old tire stayed on the rim, and it was a 5x16 42 psi HD Dunlop. They said they trued the wheel and tightened the spokes. Maybe the extra wide rim strip could have caused the tire to come off somehow. I've got the wheel/tire mounted in the bike. I hate to have to take it off again; I hurt my back putting it on (twice) cause I had to remove the rotor and put an extra shim in so the caliper would allow the wheel to spin freely.
    I think what I'm going to do is pump the tire up to 35 psi. If it blows off, it'll be in the frame and won't hurt me. If it stays on, I'm calling it good. What do ya'll think of that?
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    all I know is you don't want it blowing off while it is rolling,
    I'd check it out or get it checked some other place, sounds like a safety thing to me.
  7. cowboy

    cowboy Moderator Staff Member

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    the extra wide strip could cause it , if it's not set right , if it was on the /to close to the lip of the wheel the bead won't seal right & slip off over it A safety issue for sure :eek: Josh you can put the bike on a jack & slowly rotate the wheel & look real close at where the tire & wheel meet , double check both sides , or you caN POUR WATER REAL SLOW IN THE SAME AREAS& look for air bubbles
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    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

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    I wouldn't even ride it nor would I add any air to it until I knew it was safe. I would take it someplace else. I can't believe they even gave it back to you like that. I would definitely take it someplace else and explain the situation and either get it fixed right or maybe its time to buy a new wheel. Hope you get it fixed but don't ride it until its safe to ride on it. Good luck and you know..let us know what happens.
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    If they were afraid to inflate that to 40 psi no way would I ride the bike. Either way they sound like they don't know what they are doing.
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    Okay, boys. When My back (and groin) are healed up a little better, I'll take the ol' thang back off and take it somewhere else. I'm gonna look around for a wheel builder and find out my options. Now that I think of it, I'm real disappointed in the shop I been using. I've spent a lot of money there over the past year and a half and I think they should have treated me better.
  11. chucktx

    chucktx Moderator Staff Member

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    wouldnt hurt to let some of the air out before messing with it. i agree, a new shop would be on my list.
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    joshbob Well-Known Member

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    Here's a few pics of the bike and new tires.

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    Crankshaft New Member

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    I feel your pain!!!
    I sure hate that the shop ain`t no better than that, especially since you`ve been a returning customer...
    I picked up a screw or nail a couple weeks back and gotta "play" with that issue, I`m NOT looking forward to it...
    I like working on my stuff, but tires are not my favorite thing...
    Good Luck on this...
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Plenty of 16 inch spokes on ebay and craigslist...

    Bike looks good...
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    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

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    I would do definitely take it to another shop and have a real expert look at it. I once had a flat and got the bike to a smaller HD shop to have a tire put on it. They couldn't get the tire to fit after installing it on the rim and were blaming my trailer hitch:rolleyes:. The dumb sheets put on the wrong size tire:rolleyes:. on it and it was to wide to fit. So, not all shops know what they are doing, including some HD shops.
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    True, there are max and min size for tires and rims as well..
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    joshbob Well-Known Member

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    I did check out the size requirements of the Avon Speedmaster and it should fit the rear rim. I jacked the bike up and spun the rim around and it looks true on both sides. There is a little bump on each side right where the rim was welded together, but I've seen that on other rims. Still, I'm not going to take any chances; the wheel comes off and goes to another shop.
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    Joshbob, you said there was a lot of rust inside the bead. If rust gets started, the chrome will actually flake-off in places you can't even see the rust. The rubber tire bead is relying on sound metal to grab on and hold, and the flaking chrome could be causing the tire to slip around the bead.

    Man, I wouldn't use that wheel again, as your life depends on it. Please get a new wheel.
    P.S. The bike is gorgeous!
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    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

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    You also said they were wire brushing the rim. You sure they didn't put a air tool on it and grind on it? I think I might invest in a new wheel.
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    now that you can post pics......when ya get it off and dismounted, i would like to see some pics of the rim........closeups if ya can.....

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