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  1. baggerpaul

    baggerpaul Well-Known Member

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    hey guys hope to find ya well. got a question for the cv gurus . i want to back down the main a bit on the 44 . the stock 220 main is working well but in reality it does not need to be that rich 13.0 flat most guys would love to have it there at wide open . not needed really . so my question is as follows harley does not service the main part # any more for jets cv products only sells 200 thats to lean tried it ! need a 210 . so my question is would that be .2.10mm if so what size # drill would that be i cant find a chart for that size . conversion . i want to drill the 200 by hand to a 210 if im correct on the mm size that is ? let me know if im correct .Thanks guys!
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    Maybe Kenfuzed could help you there, BP.
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    maybe! it would be nice to find out if im correct:cool:
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    I found this chart cross reference looks like a 210 would be .0820"






    Keihin, Dynojet, Mikuni Jet Size Cross Reference

    All Hole Diameters Are in Inches

    Hole Dia”---Keihin # -- DynoJet # -- Mikuni #
    0.0350---- 92.5--------- 92----------- 86.3
    0.0360---- 95----------- 94----------- 88.1
    0.0370---- 97.5--------- 96----------- 90
    0.0380---- 100---------- 98----------- 91.9
    0.0390---- 102.5------- 100---------- 93.8
    0.0400---- 105--------- 102---------- 95.6
    0.0410---- 107.5------- 104---------- 97.5
    0.0420---- 110--------- 106---------- 99.4
    0.0430---- 112.5------- 108--------- 101.3
    0.0440---- 115--------- 110--------- 103.1
    0.0450---- 117.5------- 112--------- 105
    0.0460---- 120--------- 114--------- 106.9
    0.0470---- 122.5------- 116--------- 108.8
    0.0480---- 125--------- 118--------- 110.6
    0.0490---- 127.5------- 120--------- 112.5
    0.0500---- 130--------- 122--------- 114.4
    0.0510---- 132.5------- 124--------- 116.3
    0.0520---- 135--------- 126--------- 118.1
    0.0530---- 137.5------- 128--------- 120
    0.0540---- 140--------- 130--------- 121.9
    0.0550---- 142.5------- 132--------- 123.8
    0.0560---- 145--------- 134--------- 125.6
    0.0570---- 147.5------- 136--------- 127.5
    0.0580---- 150--------- 138--------- 129.4
    0.0590---- 152.5------- 140--------- 131.3
    0.0600---- 155--------- 142--------- 133.1
    0.0610---- 157.5------- 144--------- 135
    0.0620---- 160--------- 146--------- 136.9
    0.0630---- 162.5------- 148--------- 138.8
    0.0640---- 165--------- 150--------- 140.6
    0.0650---- 167.5------- 152--------- 142.5
    0.0660---- 170--------- 154--------- 144.4
    0.0670---- 172.5------- 156--------- 146.3
    0.0680---- 175--------- 158--------- 148.1
    0.0690---- 177.5------- 160--------- 150
    0.0700---- 180--------- 162--------- 151.9
    0.0710---- 182.5------- 164--------- 153.8
    0.0720---- 185--------- 166--------- 155.6
    0.0730---- 187.5------- 168--------- 1575
    0.0740---- 190--------- 170--------- 159.4
    0.0750---- 192.5------- 172--------- 161.3
    0.0760---- 195--------- 174--------- 163.1
    0.0770---- 197.5------- 176--------- 165
    0.0780---- 200--------- 178--------- 166.9
    0.0790---- 202.5------- 180--------- 168.8
    0.0800---- 205--------- 182--------- 170.6
    0.0810---- 207.5------- 184--------- 172.5
    0.0820---- 210--------- 186--------- 174.4
    0.0830---- 212.5------- 188--------- 176.3
    0.0840---- 215--------- 190--------- 178.1
    0.0850---- 217.5------- 192--------- 180
    0.0860---- 220--------- 194--------- 181.9
    0.0870---- 222.5------- 196--------- 183.7
    0.0880---- 225--------- 198--------- 185.6
    0.0890---- 227.5------- 200--------- 187.5
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    baggerpaul Well-Known Member

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    thats what i mean bro used my fingers and toes and a pen and came up with 2.10mm .0827 so im un sure if thats correct ?
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    LOL...I hate it when I gotta use my toes... 7/10,000 difference in your calculations and that chart...
    I found a link to jetsrus, they have a 210 main....

    KEIHIN ROUND MAIN JETS N424-27
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    man thats alot of decimals for us bikers lol. never mind spelling seven tenthousands. lol. feel like im back in school
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    LOL sure is...who would you trust more,your own math, or numbers from a chart;)
    Don't ya hate it when it comes close,but not right on....
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    :rant::eek::dont know ran out of toes .:roflmao:
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    Get ahold of Bobby Woods, you might even want to spring for the extended
    bowl kit, my 505 Rebel had that, more fuel capacity for bigger engines..

    High Capacity Float Bowl kits for Harley CV carburetors - by Wood Performance

    Remember I have a woods 505 rebel jet kit with the K series
    needles, I'll look to see whats in there, bobbys jets are
    drilled in smaller increments so you can fine tune the dial in
    with the jets, you can't do that with Klihen jets you'll gap
    the needed size.

    Wood Performance Carb Needles - 4 Fuel Curves - CV Fuel needles

    BTW give him a call, he'll chat your ear off if you
    sound half way competent over the phone about carbs..

    Phone: 205-525-4949
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    baggerpaul Well-Known Member

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    the fuel cal is so close that i thought i would try it first and see how it works out with the needle thats in there now if the main puts my mid range to lean i wont have a choice but to richen the needle circuit . or bump the main back up and drop the needle for mid range jetting to be correct . the motor will run much better in the cruise air fuel at 14.3-14.5 . but i dont want it to drop to 13.0 so fast id like to see it drop to 13.5 13.8 and flatin out at 13.0 12.8 wide open . trying to get it as perfect as i can . im ocd like that. thought i could leave it be but i cant!!!!.
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    The exact size of the #210 main jet is 0.08267". In the chart 0.820 may have been taking a reading off of an OEM jet and technically that would equate to a 208mm hole size.

    Precision is everything when it comes to drilling a jet. The slightest drift or allowing the jet to move while drilling can throw off their size.
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    i guess that my math was good then !!!!! im so proud of myself ken! 2.1 divided 25.4= 0.0827
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    Smarter than your average bear,eh....You may now leave detention...:roflmao:
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    ya booboo now we can ride to get pickanic baskets!!! :roflmao:
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    That's why I said ya need to call BW for a jet kit
    get the jets around what you want they are
    properly machined and he steps them in smaller increments
    so you can get closer to the optimum and satisfy your OCD

    So say you can get a 220, 215 and 210
    with him you can get 220,219,218,217,216,etc

    "We've put the CV in front again with the addition of a HI CAPACITY FLOAT BOWL KIT.
    The ONLY ONE of its kind! Now allows 50% more fuel in the carb bowl! We also addressed the "Jet" problem in regards to Keihn's limited jet sizes. Our flowed "MAX JETS" come in .001 increments, for very precise fuel curve tuning. "
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    So they come in the smaller sizes as well? Example, 196.197,198 etc?
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    baggerpaul Well-Known Member

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    i heard ya :cool:
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    LOL...Ya think BP suffers from that HRK...

    You should be able to dial in any AFR you want with that selection...:cool:


    I have one general question from my observations over the last couple of years....Why do so many top notch wrenches ride carbed bikes when EFI is supposed to be sooo much better??:confused:
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I tell ya why and it's of course JMO and worth zero

    EFI is a black box, and a lot of wrenches won't make the
    move to understand the workings of the EFI, or can't won't
    make the investment in education and equipment.

    TTS, SESPT, even CB vaulted T-Max are not difficult to
    learn to tune, but they take time, used to be you needed
    a dyno and it's better and faster to use a dyno with a brake
    but you can now tune on the street with TTS etc.

    EFI offers so much more, you have access to timing, fuel,
    RPM, all kinds of information and tuning areas that you can't
    get to with Carbs.

    Take JB, he has an adjustable ignition but all he can do is
    move the advance curve up and down, he can't go in there
    and find out that at 2600 RPM 20% throttle he has detonation
    sensors kicking in and pulling 7 degrees out of timing and then
    holding that out through 3400 rpm killing power, he can't drop timing back
    2 degrees in that cell and find out it's enough to kill the dreaded
    auto retard feature of the ECM.

    he can't go into the ECM and plot a nice lean afr in the cruising ranges
    to get 45 to 50 mpg, and then still have plenty of 13 afr to make
    power elsewhere.,

    I like carbs, simple easy, but like BP, he wants to really fine tune he's
    got to buy some jets and drill or call BW and get a range of pre-drilled
    jets by the .001 so he can dial that 44 right in.

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