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Discussion in 'Motorcycle Tech Talk' started by baggerpaul, Aug 21, 2011.

  1. baggerpaul

    baggerpaul Well-Known Member

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    has anyone had any exp with these on the fourm. we have been plating pistons and combution chambers and exhaust ports for years on water coolled motors dont know how it holds up in air coolled motors . looks like they have a nice bore size. with out doing any case mods. ?
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    baggerpaul Well-Known Member

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    guess that answers that .
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    chucktx Moderator Staff Member

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    got to give folks more than an hour to respond,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,sheeesh!!!!

    check with the small air craft folks......they would be more inclined to use them
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    i hear ya chuck when something is real hot people jump on it. ive use there wide band set up for a little while wich worked out real good . but i needed to adjust timing and changed it out . was great for fuel control. never used any thing else and was doing some checking around for info on the cyl and some people have used them some people hate them . seems we dont have too many fans here .
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    If'n I was using new cylingers and pistons I just might look at S&S stuff.
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    baggerpaul Well-Known Member

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    Ya i agree with you cardboard they have been around alot longer and there 97 kit seems to be bang for the buck . my deuce has a 95 high compresion set up .runs nice . dont want to go that route with the bagger looking to travel and enjoy . with the carb set up its not like i can adjust on the fly , like with the deuce if i get a batch of ethanol . so im thinking 9.1 with the cams and head work i have now . runs good but i want to get my ducks in a row for when i freshen the motor . got quite a bit of time as it only has 36.000 and change on it .
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    JMO you need to go see John Sachs in Ft Lauderdale area
    have the stock cyl pulled off, bored and custom fit 95 inch pistons

    Don't waste money buying newer 3 CC bigger cyl, it's just not
    worth the investment and the return on it for power just isn't there

    The bagger is a big bike so you want TQ, therefore higher compression
    either pistons, tighter quench, a .030 head gasket vs stock and a good set
    of bagger cams, SE 255, Woods 6, SNS 551, Andrews 37B (you'll want more compression for all these)

    Unless you're going racing or bench racing a dyno sheet, then the best bang
    for buck for your 01 88 CUI is going 95.

    If you have done that already then perhaps it's time
    to step up the heads, intake/carb/efi, dyno tune and
    pistons and cams to bigger ones...
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    baggerpaul Well-Known Member

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    ya did that on my deuce with high compresion piston cams heads you name it run out awesome . on the bagger did heads cams and went to the cometic gaskets runs good . machine shop i use is red racing tommy bubel is his name. great machine shop . thought of doing something diffrent thats all. static compresion is about 150 now so cylinder pressure is there . you get around 180 to 185 your pushing the issue of the motor pinging and if you change out the cam for more duration to over come the ping your bottom end torque will drop . some guys start to fatten the mixture to much or pull timing out . to cure the problem just thought of getting a few more cubic inches and use the valve train set up i have now .
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    ps its only an 88 now
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    The new hot cam is a Woods 555
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    My cams are split lift split duration cam short overlap makes cyld pressure . And cyld pressure makes torque. 510-498- intake opens at 18 and exhaust at 41. 236-228 duration -. 103 and 106 center line power comes on hard 2200 and it pulls real well never saw the need to put in on a dyno . Short turns were done on heads for exhaust to flow chambers were blended and intake bowls were done as well . For an 88 keeps up with big inch motors very well . I was just looking for input from you guys as what you thought on these kits . I do have a new set of barrels that were take off from a dealer i could go that route . And get an off the shelf forged slug . If im gonna bore i dont think i can bore them any more than 3.884. And have them keep good ring seal. Im just getting my parts ready for futre install at that time ill do a valve grind check spring tension and install barrels and pistons and gasket set
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    If they are 88 Cyl then have them bored for 95 CUI and put in HD pistons, get it to 180 PSI and with proper tuning you won't have ping problems (Other than the shidt fuel with Ethanol in it)

    I ran SE heads on my Heritage with 10.5 pistons, a CV505 Rebel Woods carb and Woods tw-6H 590 240 cams. A tq monster.

    If you are looking for a little more grunt then bore it to 95 and raise compression with 30 MLS head gaskets, get the timing setup right and tuned. Is it EFI the old MM system or carb, if EFI you can get it tuned of course, but you could also dump the EFI and
    put on a CV44. (CV51 will eat up gas)

    The woods 6 in that bike would be a good cam, advance it 4 degrees and bring up the tq even more.

    What gear ratio are you running in the primary, if you have 3:15 switch it to 3.37 by changing the comp sprocket gear and clutch basket gear, the bike will wake up even with it's current build, but the 95 will help too.
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    If yer going 95 why not 97 and a woods 555 cam
    It's 555 lift and designed odd the TW 6 H woods 590 lift cam
    It's newer than the tw6
    Got some friends with it
    Call bob and talk with him
    woodcarbs.com
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    Well basically because he can walk a set of paid for 88 cyl
    down the the machine shop and have them bored and
    fit with pistons and rings for way less than buying special
    97 inch pistons and nickasal coated max bored out cyl
    for what 2 CUI.

    That's like taking your 502 big block completely down
    and buying a new block and pistons to create a 510 Big block.
    Makes no sense...

    Tri 5 cam only fits 07 and up... He has an 01 so unless
    he does a conversion to the newer cam plate, which, still
    won't work as Bob doesn't have a tri 5 conversion cam..

    The W-6 is the right cam for your selection of more TQ, it will
    out perform the cam you have and if you advance it then it will
    help increase operating pressures to the numbers you want.

    Bore the 88's drop in some HD slugs, pop on the 30's and the 6H and ride...
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    Thanks for the info guys nothing like a bunch of motor heads for advice. And yes its a carb model . The deuce is injected
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    I thought about the gear change last night . It would be much better as well .
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    Check your parts I can't remember if the 01 already had the 3.37 or not, It might have it already, Pulling the primary off to change belt and pulleys is an option if you want more gear, but you'll need to change the speedo pickup with an adjuster, dakota digital has them
    and I have one I no longer use..

    Gear changes are so often overlooked and everyone focus on the
    engine cams, etc.

    If you just want a nice stronger bagger with some grunt the 95 is a good choice.
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    baggerpaul Well-Known Member

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    Thanks hrk im a good engine builder when it comes to cars and have built a few bikes . But i damn sure dont have all the right combos when it comes to twin cam bikes . I know my way around them dam good . 4 cycle engine is a four cycle engine, but the right combo from bike to bike is way diffrent. Thanks for all the info brother ill keep ya posted.
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    No prob. Call Bobby woods

    Www.woodcarbs.com


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