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Discussion in 'Motorcycle Tech Talk' started by JohnnyBiker, Sep 15, 2010.

  1. JohnnyBiker

    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

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    I have a friend that has an 87 Sportster with an S&S carb on it. For some reason he cannot get it dialed in. the bike has been apart for a long time and he just got it back together. Actually, he turned it into a bobber using the tins and seat from my bike when I bought it. He stopped by with his bike and he was riding around with the choke on about half way. Even after it was warm. what could be the problem???
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    chucktx Moderator Staff Member

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    vacuum leak, wrong jetting.
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    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

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    Now that you mention vaccum leak that makes sense. He can be kind of crude in his methods. He was saying that he sucking gas from the tank with the petcock closed. Could this be an indicator???
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    Could also be an intake leak, he needs the choke on to try to compensate for the air being sucked in, leaning it out so much it wouldn't run without the extra fuel the choke gives.
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    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

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    I had suggested that it could be jetting, but for some reason he doesn't think so. OH Well
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    I would start by checking for leaks around the intake area , if he has the crude way he might have a leak there
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    what petcock, stock HD needs a vac line running to it to even operate, if the petcock is closed and fuel is still getting through, it's screwed up and should be replaced. if he is cheap he should find a stock repair kit or takeoff, otherwise, buy a Pingle non vac operated petcock.

    He's got a leak, vac line or intake seals or carb to manifold.

    The reason he runs the choke is for more fuel, because he has a leak letting in more air behind the carb....

    Take a propane torch, don't light it.
    Start bike, get it warmed up, take propane
    torch and turn on UNLIT and hold around intake seals one at a time

    bet the engine stumbles or dies.
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    Sounds like a intake leak....I had trouble dialing in my S&S on my 75 Sportty I had a "E" shorty.I ended up getting a CV carb...runs so much better now...Good luck...
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    He is running a petcock that I gave him off of my bike because he bought of all of my tins, so I threw the fuel valve in. I kid you not, he came by with the bike and he told me that the valve was closed, but still drawing fuel. I will let him know what is being said here. He is rather stubborn though.

    How is the propane affecting the intake?? Is it taking the O2 away???
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    '87's had a gravity feed petcock...is the year you gave him a vac operated one??
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    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

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    I believe that mine was a vacuum operated one. It is the stock petcock on a 96 Sportster.
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    chucktx Moderator Staff Member

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    wont work for him.........no vacuum to the petcock............
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    depends, if he is running an SNS intake it might have a vac port on the top next to the carb.

    Propane will act the same as spraying carb cleaner, it will cause the idle to change, bike will stumble or die. Only it's not as messy, but if you have no propane and you have carb cleaner it will do the same.

    If he's that stubborn do what I do with people like that..

    Shrug you shoulders and say "heck I don't know what it is"
    and shut up...

    Some folks you can't help, some work you hard when you try and help
    I do my best to show them the door in a polite way, tell him a few tips
    he'll say "that's not it" then jut say "well I have no fuggin idea, I neeeda beer"
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    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

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    I am to that point already to say the hell with it. I guess he is going to miss out on a lot more riding if he does not want to listen to anyone. I guess it is rough to know everything???
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    the dudes name aint cardboard is it???????:)
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    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

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    LMFAO!! :roflmao: Depends on what CB real name is?? LOL
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    I have a friend that has an 87 Sportster with an S&S carb on it. For some reason he cannot get it dialed in. the bike has been apart for a long time and he just got it back together.

    XXXMAN: Any carb that sits for a long time, more than a couple of months, will usually gum up from the old fuel. The slow speed jet for a Sportster is about .0265 or .028 and can easily plug up. Remove intermediate jet and clean the center of it plus the air bleed holes located on the side of the jet. This jet controls engine operation from off idle to 3000 RPM.

    Actually, he turned it into a bobber using the tins and seat from my bike when I bought it. He stopped by with his bike and he was riding around with the choke on about half way. Even after it was warm. what could be the problem???

    XXXMAN: If the enrichener/choke needs to be on to run then the carb is not delivering fuel in the idle range. The idle mixture screw at the top of carb controls this. If the idle mix screw isn't adjusted right, 1-1/2 to 1-3/4 turns out from from bottom is correct, it won't idle. Remove idle mix screw and see if the hole into carb bore is open and not gummed up. It can be cleaned with a little carb cleaner, GUMOUT, and then blown out with compressed air. If this doesn't help the 'O' ring mounted in the carb flange may be old and flat and could be causing a vacuum leak. A sign of a vacuum leak would be that the idle mixture screw has to be turned way out to provide more fuel for the extra air. If vac leak is real bad then the enrichener may be needed too.

    If you can't figure it out we have been rebuilding S&S carbs for about 8 years and there isn't a problem we haven't run across that couldn't be fixed. We build custom S&S carbs for high performance and can provide them in S&S finish, powder coat finish, chrome finish and polished finish. Carbs can be sent in for repair or exchanged within a couple of days. Check our website: www.xxxcarburetors.com or call M-F at 936-788-3245.
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Good tips on the carb above
    did he ever get it fixed?

    A super E is a big carb on a sporty, it
    can be made to run fine... Takes a bit more work
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    Thanks for the pointers on the carb. It sounds like the S&S's are a little more touchy than the CV. I do not think that he did everything that you said he should check. I can always ask. His bike was apart for a long time.

    HotRoadKIng, no I do not believe he got it done correctly. Last time that I talked to him about his bike he said that he had the carb off and cleaned it really good, but when he put it back together he said that it was better but still had issues.
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    S&S Instructions

    Click on the Carb button, then scroll halfway down

    Find Super E & G Instructions, they are PDF files, you can print them out
    and give to him, pictures, step by step and all...

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