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Selonoid trouble

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Tech Talk' started by neaffer5, Mar 7, 2011.

  1. neaffer5

    neaffer5 New Member

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    my selonoid off my 79 iron head when off the bike and hooked up to a battery won't pull the plunger in if i push it in it stays in until i take the pos. off does this mean i need a new one? also starter just spins when on the bike.
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    Have you double check both set's of teeth , starter & hub ?
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    Replace it - end of problem and check the starter also to see if it's engaging the gear.
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    neaffer5 New Member

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    in had no problem getting the teeth together with the primary case off all i hadd to do was push on the selonoid.
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    cowboy Moderator Staff Member

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    sounds like your not lineing up right , or the started is bad & wont wor under pressure / load
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    i think since i got the starter off i"m gonna take it and have it tested if thats fine might buy a selonoid. thanks every one for their input.
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    most shops sell a solenoid rebuild kit from Custom Chrome or Drag for about $20, new plunger and contacts, simple to do...
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    Sounds like the solenoid to me. If it won't pull the plunger in nothing else will happen. That's it's only job. Buy a new one or make up a manual 'button'.
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Before you do anything rule out all other possible issues

    WIth the bike in N, jump a wire from the positive battery post
    directly to the solinoid where the green wire from the starter connects
    if it fires off the starter you have voltage problems, either getting to the
    starter or ground.

    Many times adding a second ground fixes these problems, get a $6 ground wire
    from Napa, different length wires are there, find out what you need to run one from
    the starter mounting bolt to the negative post on the battery, not the frame.

    If it doesn't fire you have a bad starter

    If it does you have problems with electricity, get a meter out
    and check voltage..
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    chucktx Moderator Staff Member

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    i have seen the plunger get gummed up with dust, dirt, ect, i would clean both the plunger and the cavity it goes into....make sure it is nice and slick....
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    Don't want to be contrary just for it's own sake but what was said here makes sense but is not entirely correct. The result of this test does not necessarily indicate voltage problems technically. It indicates resistance and therefore current issues. You can get a good voltage reading at the starter and still have cable issues because the current flow during the measurement is only across the very high impedence of the measuring device and therefore does not always drop significant voltage. It is often only when you flow higher current (try to start) that the voltage drops across high resistance in the form of bad cables or dirty connections in addition to the resistance of the solenoid and motor windings. That said, I think this is about an Ironhead. My experience with Ironheads is that they are very fussy about voltage levels and demand a NEW battery every year minimum. That usually won't make it not turn over but the current supply is usually low enough that it won't light the sparklers while cranking. Sometimes they will actually fire as you let off the start button because the current drain of the starter goes away and makes that current available to the ignition and Bob's your uncle. If you have removed the solenoid from the starter motor and applied a good 12VDC to it directly and it does not slam home my guess is that the windings in the coil (solenoid) are partially shorted and are not creating the EMF to move the slide. If you want to measure voltage do it while you crank the engine. Measuring current is the true indication but meters capable of measuring 100Amps DC are several hundred dollars. You still may have other problems but if the solenoid doesn't move it is one of them. If the starter does not engage the ring gear it could just be dirty or not spinning fast enough to throw the gear down the shaft splines. Could actually be caused by the high current drain of a shorted solenoid starving the starter motor. Thats may not be the terminology used in The Motor Company manual but I hope I am making sense.

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