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Still not right - carb maybe?

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Tech Talk' started by Hot01, Aug 13, 2011.

  1. Hot01

    Hot01 Active Member

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    Spark plugs seemed to help for a day or two. Seafoam to counteract the Ethanol seemed to help for a day or two. When I was in Montana, where they have less gas with Ethanol in it, the bike was running a little better. But now it's worse than ever.

    The main thing it's doing is when I twist the throttle open and am running up through the gears, it starts choking and sputtering. It used to be at higher RPMs, but that ceiling is getting lower and lower.

    Any ideas? I have a 42mm Mikuni carb, in case that matters.

    One other thing... When I had the air cleaner off at some time in the last few months, my friend noticed that a hole in the plate that holds the cleaner on was open and not plugged after a bike shop rerouted something to keep the breather from barfing oil onto the engine (in between the front and rear pushrods) from time to time. He plugged the hole, but now I wonder if that should have been left open. I can take a picture when I get home it isn't clear what I'm talking about.
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    Hi Hot1 ....If the hole in the plate is where air could be drawn in your motor without being filtered ..it should be plugged...I'm not sure if ethanol would hurt any parts in your carb...someone else might be able to answere that...good luck on getting your bike running better...Al
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    before i answer, i would like to see the pic..........when did he remove it.....time frame between removal and bike problems....
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    I had similar problems on my trip, low power, fouled plugs, etc. My probs where due mostly to high altitude. The CV carb can only adjust so much. I would have said the same bout yours cept yours is already tuned to high altitude since you live in CO. I thought that the Sinclare gas was crap, but again it was probly due to tuning and altitude for me. I had to buy a K/N cleaning kit and one point, and cleaned out the plugs too. it helped but my gas mileage was still very low.

    You should plug that hole and re-tune the carb.

    I was thinking I should have dropped a main jet size before I left.
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    OK. I can't remember the time frame. I'm at the coffee shop working on the book. I'll take a picture when I get home.

    It was similar to how my bike acted when I was living at sea level and was in Utah and Colorado on the cross-country trip. I kept thinking about that, but it didn't make sense since I'm now jetted for altitude. My gas mileage was sucking too, but there were a lot of miles at 80MPH plus, and I doubt my tent and sleeping bag on the handlebars was aerodynamic.
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    agreed. a lot of 75 to 80, head winds and side winds, hills. I did 4000 miles in 8 days. My old ars is glad to be home lol
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    The hole is where the breather hose was connected so the engine would suck blow-by oil back into the motor, it is common to remove that hose and route a hose under the bike somewhere to eliminate oiling up the air cleaner. If you are losing power and engine is coughing, it sounds like an intake leak. Have it checked to make sure because you dont want a lean condition to cause damage to your motor!
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    Should be plugged as stated and not your problem

    Check plugs. Change them autolite plugs work well any car parts store can cross reference. I think 4167 but check to be sure

    Check plug wires too


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    I changed the plugs and checked the wires a month or so ago. I'm not against replacing the wires, but wouldn't that cause it to run rough all the time? This is only happening when I'm accelerating quickly up through the gears - high RPMs. Once I'm in 5th and cruising along, no problem.
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    Could be a couple of things.

    Either fuel starvation or electronic.

    Do you have the stock fuel petcock?
    it's vac operated, and, over time the vac line can
    erode and crack so check it, it's a cheap easy fix, just
    take the old one if in bad shape to an Autozone and get
    some new hose.

    Possible that the new plugs have problems but not likely.

    Inspect the wires for any cuts or abrasions,
    look at the way they sit, you usually find it where it's close
    to a fin on the head or up by the frame, somewhere it could touch.

    Coils tend to just go out, not intermittent.

    Next time it happens do this, Loosen the gas cap,
    if the stumble or poor running stops it's the cap, they
    have a vent in them that can fail and cause problems
    if no change, move the petcock from on to reserve
    see if it helps or does nothing,

    You could drop the bowl on the carb (no smoking!)
    and make sure the bowl is clean, no dirt, and that the jets
    are clear (use a small can of compressed air to blow out the two
    jets (you won't have to remove carb to do this) takes a small allen
    and a ball end one helps. (Harbor Freight)

    If we can eliminate fuel starvation or delivery issues then it's electrical
    generally and we can go through the connections and wires to find
    the fault.

    Because you don't report any codes being set (engine light stays on)
    it might not be a sensor,
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    OK. I have changed the petcock once, right after my trip in '07. Every time I started going uphill (in NH, that's all the time), it would choke and die, until it just quit altogether.

    I will check the vacuum line and all the other stuff. I think it's fuel starvation of some kind. That's what it feels like, but I've been wrong before.

    Thanks
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    well three things make it run

    fuel, spark, compression

    You could have an issue with the ignition
    if a wire is grounding out under acceleration
    a point where the vibrations and throttle position
    all coordinate to make something happen

    Buddy had an 01 Ultra it ran fine most of the
    time but he complained it would pop, back fire and missfire

    Shop couldn't reproduce it
    and I couldn't either, so I asked

    When does this happen

    "right after I wash it
    or if it's raining"

    key - Water - Wet

    Took a hose to it and held it around the bike
    moving from bottom to top and when I hit the
    front plug wire a big arc jumped to the head
    and bam ka bam pop pop.

    Checked the wire and it had a hair line cut on the back
    you couldn't see,

    just an example of the crazy stuff that happens...

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