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1980 sportster trouble

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Tech Talk' started by panhead 1948, Jul 19, 2013.

  1. panhead 1948

    panhead 1948 New Member

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    Yes 4cams. Checked cams and reset them. Thought that might be problem too. Took out all solid lifters checked them they are all good. All valve guides ande springs are new. Had professional shop do them. This bike just hates me.:mad:
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    Already tried that. Its a no go. Thanks for idea though:)
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    panhead 1948 New Member

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    Yes they both have spark when out setting on heads. But when plugs are in bike and bike is started it only wants to run on back cylinder only.
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    OK.. So there is fire on both cylinders, and the cylinder passes a leakdown test with no air escaping from valves or into the base, and even though the compression is low,(and I assume you tried different guage for comparison) there should still be enough to ignite the mixture, is it flooding the plug or is the plug dry? Are plugs properly gapped? Is it possible to measure the cylinder and see if the shop bored it out too large as compared with the other? Don't laugh, saw it happen once.
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Coil is dual fire or two coils?

    When you pull the front plug is it wet? Smell like gas, that would
    indicate you have fuel and no spark

    Eliminate the electrical issues,

    test coil

    change plugs front to back, you know the back one
    works, if the problem moves it's the plug if not then
    check the wires

    Eliminate the coil, plugs and wires, then it's mechanical.
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    baggerpaul Well-Known Member

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    if you have 50 psi on the front and 120 on the rear . an exhaust valve is hung open pull the exhaust push rod and recheck compression should be a **** load high . if it is pull the rocker box . you have a rocker holding the exhaust valve open because its hitting the box . what high lift cams are in this build / also are they adjustable push rods?
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    My guess is a bad coil but first a process of elimination. There is a difference between "no fire" and "no spark" so this can help locate the problem. No spark points to the ignition system beginning at the plugs down. Having a cylinder that won't fire (but has spark) points to a lack of fuel delivery (valves, lifters, heads, etc.)
    The order in which I would check things and begin to eliminate each cause of a failure.
    1. Spark at each plug. Lay a new spark plug on the head or attach a ground wire to the threaded area, then crank the engine and look for spark at that plug.
    2. If you have spark, move to checking valves, lifters, head gasket.
    3. If no spark, move backward beginning with the plug wire, coil and finally the ignition as the source of the problem. Verify the ground connections moving through each of these components eliminating one at a time.
      - To check the coil use an ohm/volt meter and measure the resistance between the positive and negative terminals. I believe this should be 3 ohms if I recall off the top of my head.
    4. Check that the VOES is connected and operating.

    If replacing the coil make sure you use one that matches your igintion. There are some coils and ignitions that can be used in both dual and single fire modes so make sure both are on the same page. Also if the coil went out check your regulator to see if that damaged the coil.
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    Seems like you're chasing 2 problems at the same time...I'd look for what's giving you a 70lb difference in compression first,then look why the candle won't light the fire...What BP said makes sense...when you pump the air in for a leak down, it pushes the valve closed and you get a good reading...when you crank it checking for pressure,the valve sticks open and bleeds off the compression...Fix that and she might just fire off on both cyls....
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    Not sure about high lift cams or not. Push rods are not adjustable. Will try your idea to pull push rod and recheck compression and let you know if this works. Great idea I never thought of that. Thanks:)
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    When I pull front plug it is dry. This made me look at the fuel delivery and carb. Thought maybe fuel was only getting to rear but after checking carb and intake manifold it all checked out ok.
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    well as we know you need three things,

    fuel
    spark
    compression.

    You said the plugs are firing so that is cleared
    if the cylinder isn't up on compression and you
    don't hear a busted head gasket then the air
    has to be going somewhere.

    Generally it's either rings not seating, worn or out of position
    which you said isn't the case or

    The optimum way is to get the valves closed and that's only
    going to happen when you have the pushrods out and that's the best
    time to do a leak down, as the springs will be holding the valves shut
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    Thanks. for all the great ideas guys. Nothing seems to make this beast run. Taking break from it for few days to clear my head maybe get new perspective. Time to give the love love of my life some tlc. She's a 1973 xlch and really good to me. Needs new fork seals, chain adjustment and push rod gaskets, and still runs like a dream. I love old irons:)
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    did you ever find the answer to your woes?
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    Unfortunately no. Still working on it. I have tried everything I can think of and everything anyone else suggested. Tomorrow I am going to try setting timing on front cylinder tdc and see if that works. Lol. This is just crazy. I refuse to let her be a garage queen! Something's got to work eventually. Right? Glad I am patient person. Thanks for asking.
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    Did you check the pick up coil ?never mind different bike lol
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    Did you back off the push rods and recheck compression
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    I am curious, what cams do you have installed?
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    Ok I just read a few post back on this thred it states you have ssolid lifters if you have solids how are you setting the push rods? They should be set at zero lash then backed off a half turn . Just like shovel solids if not the valves will never seal on the seat . Also you state in another post that you have zero leak down thats impossible every motor has some sort of leak down a good test would be no more than 6. Percent and that my friend is absolutely percect centric cylinder . Something is not adding up here either we are not getting proper diagnostic info from you or you are not giving us proper information on your diagnostic review it a tractor motor spark fuel compression it has to run . Your cam timing has to be off or your valves are hanging open .
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    I set pushrods as you described. I agree it has come down to the timing. Will try again to set it tomorrow and see how it goes. Thank you for the help:)

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