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88 CI to 98 CI UPGRADE

Discussion in 'Projects' started by JohnnyBiker, Nov 21, 2012.

  1. hotroadking

    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Ask him why 400,
    and what they do as it gains over 400

    I'd want to see the flow chart for them at all
    readings.
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    I could have misunderstood what he said. I will get a hold of him and double check. :cool: Was going to wait till next month to get the jugs done which is coming u soon. :D:D
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    Ok, I did talk to my Indy and I got it straightened out. Of course he checked cfm at .500 and .600 lift and we are right about the same. I need to make a correction though, my cfm at .400-.450 lift was 251. At .600 we dropped just a tad to 248. I asked that we stop there. I will live that and it is so little, I will never feel it. All in all, we are moving right a long.
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    factory head at its best will flow 196 at 550 lift . cnc se head at it best will flow 254 cfm at 550 and there is great room for better valves and flow left in them . so not to shabby!:D
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    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

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    yeah I wasn't wrong with I originally posted about my numbers, he just never did tell me what the .500-.600 lift flow data was. I will get a chart when it is all said and done and I will post that. :cool:
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    Today I got a message from my Indy and he has gotten the heads cc'd and he told me that they are ccing out at 83. I am contemplating on having him shave the head enough to where the heads would cc out at 80. I checked out Big Boyz's calculator and if I did go to 80 cc, I would have about 202 ccp with a corrected of 10.0:1. I think that I am going to have him take enough off just to clean up the surface of the head and call it good. I may wind up with a head that cc's out at 82.
  7. hotroadking

    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    just remember too little CC and wrong cam timing means
    detonation. Lotta folks run up on that with some SE 203 cams
    and higher comp engines, they get a ping monster that is
    untuneable.

    Just make sure he does the math...
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    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

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    I decided to stay put and leave the chambers at 83 since that is what the measured without any work done. I will have him clean the surface up and that is it. For some reason I am not too worried about detonation, but am aware that I may have some if she gets hot. I am going to use the +4 key. My approximate corrected compression will be about 9.9:1 with about 199 ccp.

    I took a look at the intake port and he put a pretty nice texture on them as well as the intake. The intake was port matched as well. :cool:

    I have the flow numbers from when the head was flowed in its stock form. Will post soon. :D
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    not too worried huh:roflmao:
  10. hotroadking

    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Well the worry isn't about running the bike in the cool evenings
    in MN, it's when you and HR load up and go to Sturgis, and if you travel into
    some place where you need fuel and there isn't any high octane fuel

    It's a touring bike so you need to compromise for those heavy loads
    and road trips as well as hot rodding around town.
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    Yep....I'm no engine builder by a long shot,but 9.9:1 corrected seems a bit high to me....I was shooting for 9:1 corrected and 180-185lbs compression in mine,I figured that would give me a good safe touring bike,with good snap and be reliable...pinging/detonation make me cringe....

    Here's an article from Hot Bike might be worth a read...down the page a bit, they talk about corrected compression....

    http://www.hotbikeweb.com/tech/0710_hbkp_harley_davidson_optimal_engine_efficiency/viewall.html
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    A lot of this has had me thinking about the EZ start S&S cams if I ever do a cam in my bike.
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    Here are the charts that I was given of what my heads are doing.

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    you better check your math,.9.9-1 corrected with the 557 redshift cam would mean your running almost 11.0-1 static & will give almost 210 CCP
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    Man I hope he had compression release stuck in. And I mean the Big kind ..
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    ya i did the same thing when i was checking his math ! check it with a dome volume at 6cc and 1600 ft above sea level 198 199
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    even with that factored in,there better be compression releases installed and a VERY good tune (whatever altitude,thats pushing the 557`s a bit,IMO)
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    ****t you came up with better numbers then me when i first did the math i think i was at 222 then i re did the math and was at 213 then i put in the 1600 ft above sea level and the 6 cc dome per piston . it gonna rip ass on the bottom but hes gonna have to shift in the hot summer . tune is the key word !
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    my deuce was 10.5.1 200 ccp 1 full revolution delay on the sert map it started fine with no compression releases. it all in the tune cb you know that . could i have used them ofcourse i could have did i need them na! good batt and a stock starter it al good . and good grounds !
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    Actually. since I most likely won't be using my +4 key, my ccp will be about 195. And with compression releases too. Boy am I glad that I thought of those a long time ago...:rolleyes::D

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