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88 CI to 98 CI UPGRADE

Discussion in 'Projects' started by JohnnyBiker, Nov 21, 2012.

  1. prodrag1320

    prodrag1320 Active Member

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    you should have installed a set of barrnett extra plate kit insted of the spring
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    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

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    Why?
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Solution is rivera primo clutch. Lighter than stock pull and double the friction surface.


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    Ya need to stick a "A" on the end of Rivers:roflmao:
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    JOhnny there are two approaches to increasing the ability of the clutch
    to handle the extra power.

    1) Increase spring pressure (what you did) this works to add force
    to the plates to hold them from spinning under power, the downside is
    that you increase the force that is required to actuate the lever

    2) increase clutch plate area, Rivera plates are twice as wide in the
    area where the friction material is than the stock HD plates, so you have
    double the clutch area, same for PD's suggestion another plate, more friction
    material

    Rivera and others increase the material area and you have to press out the inner
    hub on the clutch assembly and put in their inner hub, it's easy to do and then it will
    accept the taller (wider) plates (not thicker) with a better spring that allows you to
    maintain an acceptable clutch lever pressure.

    I ran the HD SE Drag clutch sucker would hold anything but the force
    required to move it was a PIA in traffic. Popeye forearms optional..

    HD SE plate basically does the same you will get used to it over time
    and it will seem normal, as long as you are not doing the main st crawl
    you'll forget it's there but you will still be using more force.

    There is also a new trans cover plate lever that reduces pull that you
    can put in with the HD spring but then you're taking apart the trans side cover,
    dropping exhaust etc.

    One other thing you can do is swap out the cables for a teflon lined SS braided
    cable this reduces drag and pull as well
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    OK lets say its related to the cover (doubful) but possible, if in fact the football cover which is larger and thus perceived to be restrictive over the open filter then the cover made it richer, so I would simply adjust the air mix screw to see if that helps.

    my guess is you are getting to the point you need the tune done and you want to do that using the cover you'll ride it with.
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    pull the cable towards ya and stroke clutch lever once while pulling the cable slightly whatcha got then if still none pack settling in with new spring . You have to adjust the clutch drum.
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    45* outside and engine still cold....In my best HD Service Tech voice;) "They all do that":D But this time it's true...occasional carb farts when cold is normal...
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    Thanks buddy. My service manual will help if I have questions. ;)


    Yeah I am not so worried about the carb farts that I get occasionally, that was just more of a :rant: about the weather that we have been getting. :witsend:
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    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

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    It definately time to get this bike tuned. I took the football back off and it just going to stay off this time. Tomorrow I am going to pull the plugs, adjust the clutch, and change the oil. I still think that I am going to run at least straight 50 weight oil though. I stopped by my buddies shop and see how he was doing for scheduling and he is pretty busy for a little bit. I am starting to get anxious to see what this thing is doing for power.

    I will have to say that I am still considering advancing these cams 4*. I feel the cams coming in at about 2700 but then they just get crazy at 3000+.
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Stick with muti viscosity, 50W will be 50Wt at cold temps or hot
    Twin cams have very tight tollerances and lots more oil ports and passages
    than the old Shovels which were loose compared to the CNC stuff made today

    you need to be sure that lubrication gets moving quickly to all the bits
    that need it and that 50Wt will have to warm up.

    a 20W-50 will flow faster at the cooler temps in the winter, spring and fall
    and at cold start up, getting oil to the valvetrain, lifters, cams quicker.
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    Funny you'd say that about shovels, which of course, is true. When I got my motor back together after getting the heads rebuilt, new rings, etc., Mac the Wife heard the motor running and remarked how much "tighter" it sounded :eek::roflmao:.
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    The funny thing is JoshBob is that my Service Manual itself recommends straight 50 weight oil at 70*-80* and straight 60 weight from 80* on up. I guess the factory doesn't know that it is wrong to run that kind of oil in THEIR engines. :rolleyes:;) I guess I will go with the manufacturer says is ok.
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    20-50 Oil dude. You don't have a factory engine either if'n you look at what you just did.:gah:
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Nobody said it was wrong, maybe you should check your reading skills
    the manual gives you a scale and range and if you look really close
    you'll see it overlaps on temps.

    You'll also see that 20W-50 covers the majority of the ranges and
    is the recommended oil by HD for good reason, what oil came in the bike
    why, 20W-50, because it covers the majority of temp ranges
    in the world where they ship bikes, Syn 3 - 20W-50, the oil HD
    sells the most of, 20W-50 non syn.
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    From HD's web site

    All Temperatures
    Harley-Davidson recommends SAE 20W50 viscosity grade oil for "all temperature conditions," according to the Harley-Davidson website. The SAE 20W50 oil covers the biggest range of operating temperatures and is ideally used in ambient temperatures ranging from 60 to 80 degree Fahrenheit.

    Low Temperatures
    Low temperatures, those of 40 degrees Fahrenheit or less, call for Harley-Davidson SAE 10W40 H-D Motorcycle Oil. Harley-Davidson classifies this oil viscosity as "appropriate for low temperature climates." The SAE 10W40 H-D Motorcycle Oil is formulated to guard against low-temperature problems such as erratic idle and lack of power.

    High Temperatures
    Harley-Davidson recommends SAE 60 H-D Motorcycle Oil for ambient temperatures above 80 degrees Fahrenheit. SAE 60 H-D Motorcycle Oil is formulated to prevent engine overheating in high temperatures. Since Harley-Davidson engines already run warm, it is important to guard against overheating by using the proper oil in high-temperature conditions.


    When we extract the annual temp data over the past 20 years which includes the global warming, cooling, cow farts, eco corn fuel crap.. Which shows that on average you don't hit 80's and sustain them, oh you could have a 100 degree day but on average MN just doesn't break the top end of the 20W-50 range recommended by the Manufacturer

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    I agree with HRK 100%...JB you're living too close to the wrong border for straight weights, You're only 1*Latitude South of me...you're damn near a Canuck not Mexican:D
    I don't know anyone running straight weights other than a couple of shovel guys and most of the shovels here are running 20-50...

    You wouldn't want to risk early engine wear because the oil is taking too long to heat up enough to flow right and not lubing the moving parts...
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    no no no, the book says..... :p
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    :roflmao::roflmao::roflmao: You guys fall for that every time... Funny as hell. :roflmao::roflmao:
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    :wtf:yep, I'd follow the manual. they know there stuff them authors of shop manuals.
    Me, I run 20-50 wether it's 100 degrees or 10 degrees.
    :D

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