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88 CI to 98 CI UPGRADE

Discussion in 'Projects' started by JohnnyBiker, Nov 21, 2012.

  1. FLHTbiker

    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

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    Cool glad you liked it.
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    Heh,Don't tell us it tastes like chicken:)
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    :roflmao::roflmao::eek::roflmao:
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    I got the rain sock on today and was also able to clean the air filter and re-oil and take a look at the plugs. I was rally pleased to see what I did on the rear plug but the front plug I was a little bit concerned about. It is difficult to explain but I am going to watch that pretty closely now. Now that it was dane near 100* outside today, I will keep a closer eye on that front plug. Not sure if is detonation that is happening or just riding in such cool weather and without a proper tune. Who knows, I will monitor now to see if there are any changes to that front plug. :cool:
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    Fatboy, glad to hear you got a ride in already.

    Johnny, not sure about the plug readings, but I have heard it's harder to get an accurate read on them with the ethanol fuels we have now.
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    ah twin cams are single fire ! you can set your twin tec to multifire mode 1 . kinda like an msd set up
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    Ok, wasn't sure. I will get you that pic later today, I am cold at the moment and the bike is hot. Yep, I am getting some pining. :rant:
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Bet you have too aggressive timing curve,
    dial it back for break in, peak performance isn't
    important now, just getting parts mated and
    making sure nothing flys off...
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    10 .5 timing map off my buddys dyno computer with 10 deg back off in roll on area and 2 deg retard in start up column with stock advance swing he can go up or down the whole timing curve by the switch of a knob. he needs to monitor temp and plugs as he was told and not get crazy till its tuned . i know its hard to do when your bike runs good but you have to control the desire to roll on it . till its got the tune correct. the map is close but every motor is diffrent!
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    and temps, and fuel, and air etc...

    pull it back one, rich and less timing is safer...
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    I didn't mean to imply that I am getting pining to the point to where I think that my engine is going to explode. That is not the case at all. I am getting pinging once in a while during roll on at about 2500 rpm (60 mph). Yes, this is without downshifting and it does it when Hot Rider is with me or not. I did not notice the pinging before as the temps were lower. Now that we already have had temps in the triple digits, cylinder pressure is much higher.

    Paulie, I am about to take the bike out for a run. I backed off the initial to 4 and left the advance alone. I did change those Autolight plugs for the HD ones and have them gapped at about .038. I will try to get some good pics of the previous plugs and post. (Phone isn't cooperating).:rolleyes:
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    ok mein ju got it brother. go ride ! if it blows we will install 124 no worries!!!!its only money lmfao!i wont mind its warm now !!!!!:roflmao:
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    I think that we are closer now. I just got back from a ride and did some roll ons from 2500 rpm (60 mph) and I didn't hear a thing at any time. The butt dyno likes this setting more as well.

    Question: By backing off the timing, are we making the AFR fatter at that particular moment than what it may have previously been or does that have no bearing on AFR (jetting)?
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    only to a point you are effecting were it is the point of the spark starts to occur relative to were the piston is in the stroke event . burn time is what your effecting! so you are retrading the event of spark during the 4 cycle event .
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    its like the perfect wife suck squeeze bang blow your 4 cycle engine!
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    :roflmao::roflmao: Are you saying that ypuo have met the perfect woman???? :wtf: I am going to go and put some gas in the bikes. Just had some smoked grilled chops. :cool: TTYL :D
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    If they come with t(.)(.)s or wheels ...they're gonna give ya trouble;):roflmao:
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    That is just fuggen hilarious!!!!!:roflmao::roflmao: +1 :roflmao::roflmao:
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    THIS BIKE IS GOING TO GET JOHNNYBIKER ARRESTED!!! Paulie, I think we found where the timing needs to be. At least we are way closer than before! JMO based off of the butt dyno!!
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    JB bigger engines like less timing,
    too much and it burns it up inside
    I'm not talking about parts exploding but
    beating parts up inside.

    Buddy has a 113, it was dropping valve seats
    found out he figured if x timing was good x+2 was better
    and had advanced the curve, now it might have been
    in error because the dip switches are small.

    The culprit is a too hot burn that caused the rear head to expand
    and eventually drop a seat.

    Timing was the culprit, we've pulled it back to the correct
    curve and it's never had an issue again, Kirby put it back together
    for him (the head) and it's all sweet now.

    Remember unlike the commercial, more is not better
    your change in the curve showed this, plus understand that
    the fuel curve isn't set yet, so you may end up with more timing
    but need more fuel, it's a balance...

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