1. After 20+ years it's time to pass the torch. If you are interested in acquiring this forum please contact support@cv-performance.com for details. Any spam will be reported and blocked.
  2. Welcome to Bike Talk, a forum for all bikers and motorcycle enthusiasts. If you are new to Bike Talk, be sure to register for free and join the conversation.

    There's always someone around willing to help out with questions or give a friendly wave back. All Harley and metric riders are welcome.

Backfiring thru carb

Discussion in 'CVP Stage 1 Tuners Kit' started by jplowrider, Apr 19, 2011.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. kenfuzed

    kenfuzed Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2005
    Messages:
    10,513
    Likes Received:
    140
    Location:
    Las Vegas NV
    When you turn the screw inward does the engine want to stumble or slow? If not that passage could be clogged.

    I'm not quite yet to old-timer status (at least I keep telling my wife that) but I do have a garage full of leftover parts including manifold boots. If you think you need one let me know and I'll drop it in the mail to you. The boot should be tight enough that it holds the carb firmly in place. Some are so tight it takes 2 hands to push/twist the carb into place. If it just slips in there easy it's too loose (I'm sure theres a joke there but for now let's work on the carb).
  2. chucktx

    chucktx Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2005
    Messages:
    12,545
    Likes Received:
    10
    very, very true..........once there gone..............................their gone!!
  3. HarleysLR

    HarleysLR Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2007
    Messages:
    2,113
    Likes Received:
    13
    Location:
    Colorado Springs, CO
    am sure there are several jokes in there!! but i'm goi'n say this anyway.

    I usually have to put a little greese on the boot to slip the carb into place and I think that helps it seal a little better.
  4. jplowrider

    jplowrider New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2011
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    0
    The idle screw is not clogged,it does slow down when turned in.I bought a brand new HD boot and it felt about the same as the one I got with the kit.I drove it to work,on the way home it was still popping.I don't believe it these are suppose to fit,if you have one that you think would fit better please send it to me as soon as possible,this is becoming a pain in the ass,I hope this works.
  5. kenfuzed

    kenfuzed Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2005
    Messages:
    10,513
    Likes Received:
    140
    Location:
    Las Vegas NV
    You mentioned the rear plug (or both plugs0 being white? What did the original plugs look like before the rebuild and tuner kit installation?

    When you installed the rebuild kit did you remove the manifold from the heads?

    Sorry for all the questions, just trying to get a sense of where this carb started and narrow down any issues. If you already bought a new manifold boot from Harley then any that I have here would be identical.

    Your situation is certainly unusual since everyone I've ever assisted with a carburetor issue typically gets it resolved with what has been stated throughout this message thread. As a last effort if you wouldn't mind shipping me the carb I would be happy to look at it and see if there is an internal problem. Please email me if you want to go that route.
  6. jplowrider

    jplowrider New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2011
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    0
    When I took the plugs out before the rebuild all I can remember is that they had a lot of carbon on them,I don't recall what the electrodes looked like.But after the rebuild with the same plugs the carbon was gone.The front one almost looked normal but the rear was pure white.Then I installed new ones and I checked them yesterday they were both bone white with the front a slight coloring that's' with about 50 or sixty miles on them.I did not remove the intake manifold all I did was check to see if it was tight and it was.I did notice the old mufflers I took off before the rebuild they were all black with carbon.The new muffs are not, you can still see the metal with the rear cylinder with almost nothing.The bike ran great on the highway but the minute your at idle you just touch the throttle and it pops and will stall.I hope this helps.
  7. kenfuzed

    kenfuzed Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2005
    Messages:
    10,513
    Likes Received:
    140
    Location:
    Las Vegas NV
    Based on what you've described the culprits would be:
    1) intake leak
    2) accelerator pump not functioning
    3) fault with mixture screw (mixture circuit)

    If I thought any of the parts installed could cause the problem you're having I would have you reinstall the old parts, but neither the jets, spring, tube, or other parts would cause an off-idle stall.

    The offer stands if you want me to look at the carb for you.
  8. HarleysLR

    HarleysLR Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2007
    Messages:
    2,113
    Likes Received:
    13
    Location:
    Colorado Springs, CO
    could it be something as simple as the idle is set just a touch to low, trying to get that loop sound like the older H-D's - ideal idle is 900 -1000 rpm isn't it??
  9. jplowrider

    jplowrider New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2011
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    0
    I just would like to know if you would charge me for that, and about how long would that take.
  10. JohnnyBiker

    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2010
    Messages:
    9,568
    Likes Received:
    205
    Location:
    Minnesota
    First I would like to say that this thread is really informative. Second, I would jump at the chance to have a FIRST RATE carb builder take a look at my carb.

    Ok now down to meat. When I first got my scooter, I had similar problems to what it is that you are describing. When my bike would idle, it would be ok, but as soon as I started to roll on the throttle, I would have this dead spot and it would almost die. It was fine once I got past this spot. Now I did not get the popping that you describe right away, but eventually I did. When I brought my bike in for its 1200 upgrade, it was discovered that my accel pump was bad, replaced it and the dead spot was gone. Now this is when I started to get the popping. When the Dumbass that worked on my scooter took the carb off and apart, all he did was was increase the pilot, but not the main jet. he still didn't have it tuned because he had to turn the idle screw out like four turns to even get to idle according to him. this is not true because you pilot is useless after 2 1/2 to 3 turns out. This is when I started to get all of the popping.

    I took my scooter to someone else and we increased the size of both the pilot and the main jet, but I still would occasionally get the "popping." We found that I had a head gasket leak and this could have contributed to the popping.

    You said that your plugs are white. This is good indication of lean condition. Have you had any top end work done on your bike lately? How long has been since gaskets have been replaced?

    Now I have absolutely no issues with my scooter.

    Current carb set up= 46 pilot and a 185 main pluse the needle is slightly shimmed.
  11. kenfuzed

    kenfuzed Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2005
    Messages:
    10,513
    Likes Received:
    140
    Location:
    Las Vegas NV
    No charge, you just pay for shipping and I will check out your carb and test it on a bike I have here. I would turn it around in a day.

    Send me a private message or email and I will discuss further.
  12. jplowrider

    jplowrider New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2011
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    0
    That sounds great, just give me your address and I will ship it tomorrow.
  13. kenfuzed

    kenfuzed Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2005
    Messages:
    10,513
    Likes Received:
    140
    Location:
    Las Vegas NV
    PM sent with the shipping address.
  14. HarleysLR

    HarleysLR Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2007
    Messages:
    2,113
    Likes Received:
    13
    Location:
    Colorado Springs, CO
    hi jacking this thread,
    Hey Ken you anywhere near Encinitas or Lake Elsinore, California? I'm going to be there on May 9 thru the 13th. Would buy you a cold one if ya have time.
  15. chucktx

    chucktx Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2005
    Messages:
    12,545
    Likes Received:
    10
    i would like to know what problems are found.....very perplexing problem here......a pm will work, thanks ken..........
  16. jplowrider

    jplowrider New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2011
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    0
    Do you need the air cleaner assembly?
  17. kenfuzed

    kenfuzed Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2005
    Messages:
    10,513
    Likes Received:
    140
    Location:
    Las Vegas NV
    No save yourself some postage, I have plenty of different air cleaners. Just let me know what type you have (stock, SE, Ness, hypercharger, etc).
  18. jplowrider

    jplowrider New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2011
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    0
    I think it's a SE not 100/% sure,should I leave the air cleaner back plate on?
  19. kenfuzed

    kenfuzed Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2005
    Messages:
    10,513
    Likes Received:
    140
    Location:
    Las Vegas NV
    Sure you can leave that on if you like. I'd like to see the carb in the same manner it gets mounted less the cables. Shoot me an email when it ships.
  20. jplowrider

    jplowrider New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2011
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    0
    Have you had a chance to take at look the carb yet? I'm anxious to find out.
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page