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Discussion in 'Pull up a chair and sit for a spell' started by joshbob, Apr 6, 2011.

  1. cowboy

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    I looked in one spot so far a few dozen more to go
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    Yes, I ordered thru Ken and John's Motorcycle Parts - no J&P stuff. I didn't see a cable on either site.
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    Sorry, didn't catch that we were talking about an oil seal....:banghead: Rough night last night...:D:cheers:
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    Enjoy those rough nights while you can, gunsel! Saw a chiropractor yesterday and he thinks he can help. Xrays showed my back to be about the same as a man much older, (ostoporosis) lots of bone density loss - too many rough nights I expect! HA-ha! We did some electrical treatments and then he put me on a waterbed that massaged the back and then the usual crack, crack, crack. Felt better - better than I've felt for a long time. Back sore this morning. I'll be going in 3 times a week and look forward to it.

    Now, bike stuff. Cowboy, Ken gave me a link to Zanotti Motors that has the shorter choke cable. I'm just going to get one as they don't cost much. Thanks for looking, though.
    I think the last thing I need is the billet CV adapter flange. I can't get on Ebay for some strange reason to buy the one I see. I'm still trying . . . .
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    Zanotti is a good place for Harley parts DISCOUNTED! I and others I know are onto them. Good prices and fast delivery. :D
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    Forgot to mention I talked with a tech guy at J&P about my oil seal leak on the crankshaft. He feels that a new seal shouldn't be leaking - maybe the oil is being forced out. He cited several possiblities: check ball in oil pump or spring letting in too much oil in the crankcase. (But it's a brand new oil pump.) Oil hoses incorrectly hooked up. (They are hooked up correctly.) Engine not breathing because of some kind of obstruction. EBOC (engine breather/oil collector) full of oil. I suppose that could be it. I'm going to check it out later today. Any other ideas on why a new seal would leak?
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    Installed wrong, bad seal, bad surface letting oil through
    or as the jaypee guy said you have pressure buildup somewhere
    that has to get out, and it's found the weakest link.


    Might want to ask the guy that built the engine..

    Do you have an oil pressure gauge on the engine
    at least you'd know that number.

    Check the breather make sure it's allowing air pressure
    to get out of the engine, and watch the oil tank to make
    sure oil is flowing back into it properly, if you start it and the tank
    drains and no return then it's sumping and the pump
    isn't hooked up right or something is blocking flow...
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    Could be like mine a bad spring and check ball. I also would check the seal to be sure it is installed correctly or is it a bad seal?
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    BTW before you place the order at Zannottis check the price with shipping

    They have higher shipping costs, so low cost items end up costing more
    than retail sometimes, it's just the way the system is setup.
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    I agree. small parts arent a deal due to shipping costs. no tax is charged either.
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    I checked the EBOC. It was full of oil and I'm not sure if the filter was clogged but there was oil on it. I took it out and soaked it in gas. It's all back together and back on the bike. The oil lines are hooked up correctly - oil is circulating because the oil in the tank is slightly dirty. I'm going to have to wait till the carb is on the bike before I can make any other tests. No oil pressure gauge. I've heard that when the engine is running, if there are air bubbles on the surface of the oil in the tank, that means that the oil is returning like it's supposed to. (That's old school stuff I learned), but then sometimes old school can be misleading or just plain wrong!

    When I had the old seal out, I inspected the crankshaft and it looked and felt smooth - no obvious scratches or grooving. That seal was a new one also and it also leaked. That suggests to me the problem might not be the seals, but hey, what do I know? I put the new seal in the same way as the other one - like the guy who rebuilt the motor. But I will call him tomorrow and see what he says.
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    It's a brand new oil pump. How could it have a bad spring and check ball? Besides, the old seal leaked before I got this new oil pump. I'm fairly certain the motor is breathing because oil filled up the EBOC. A bad seal? I don't know. I mean it looked good to me before I put it in.:wtf:
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    I'll be going to Rocky Mount sometime soon and I'll get the cable from Harley - it would be a lot cheaper than ordering online. Thay might have a billet CV flange also, but I expect if they did, it would be fairly expensive. Hey, gotta start saving my pennies to pay my chiropractor 3 times a week! Cash & carry - no insurance.

    Another thing, like I said earlier, I'm in no hurry now. If it takes a month or two, so be it.
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    Yesterday my new air cleaner arrived. It's a Taiwan Teddy special and looks well made - 5 1/2" in diameter and resembles the old timey ones. Wasn't there a similar one on the knuckleheads?I assume the spacer goes between the carb and the carb backing plate and not inside the backing plate. No instructions, not even in bad English!

    Okay, I finally got on ebay after going thru a labyrinth of machinations. Now, of course, I have no money for the press on CV flange (next week). I had been on ebay a couple years ago and had forgotten my ID user name & my password. In fact, I can't remember ever having been on ebay to buy anything! It's a beech getting old, boys!

    Just got some info from HarleyHelp about modifying stock CV40 carbs. They shorten the spring about 4 turns; drill out the vacuum port on the slide to 1/8"; change the slow jet to #45 & the main jet replaced with a jet "10" larger than the OEM one. Then for starters, adjust the mix screw out 2 1/2 turns.
    HRK recommends going to a #50 slow to a 160 main. I think I will take his advice - I mean, I KNOW he knows what he's talking about! Besides, I have read somewhere that anything smaller than a #50 will cause the "hesitatin' blues" on acceleration.
    Of course, all these jetting changes will have to be verified by the spark plug testing which follows. This is both an art and a science according to HarleyHelp, but they have all the info how to do it.

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    Thought I'd take the carb apart and see what's what. It looks pretty clean (see pics). The vacuum port on the slide has already been drilled out to 9/64". I don't know what size the jets are - no numbers on them. This is the first time I have ever looked at jets - they looked clean, but I blew them out with air anyway. I expected to see numbers on them.
    Will wait until Ken's CV stage 1 upgrade arrives and put it back together with the new parts.

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    Taiwan Ted and well made ...in the same sentence...:confused:

    :gah:Don't do that!!!!
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    Don't do which? (See post 1035). And the air cleaner - well, it's not like it's an engine part or something. Everybody else's air cleaners are huge, butt ugly, and expensive to boot.
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    Don't cut the spring in the carb.....breather kit should be OK ...I'm not a fan of Taiwan Ted....
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    Vacuum port shouldn't be drilled either...looking at the pics.looks like your accelerator pump diaphragm may be worn check it for cracks and pin holes...the jets should have numbers on the bottom of them,but can be hard to see
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    Me either. But sometimes you have little choice. I think the only things on my bike from V-Twin are the air cleaner, the handlebar grips, & throttle cable. Here's the thing about the air cleaner - I ordered it from another company (I forgot who) and the package arrived with Tedd's Cycle on the box - I didn't know it was a V-Twin item. Have to say I like it, though.

    Now, what about the spring? Why does Spyder's Evil Twin (HarleyHelp) say to cut it shorter and why is that a bad idea? Just curious. I think I'm getting another spring in the stage 1 upgrage anyway.

    Just went out to the shop and looked at my jets under a strong light and a magnifying glass. Sure enough, the numbers were there. The slow jet is 45 and the main is 165. I thought that the accelerator pump diaphram looked pretty good as was the rubber gasket on the float bowl.
    As far as the drilling goes - I don't know what size the original hole is supposed to be for the slide vacuum but mine is around 9/64". Somebody has been doing some mods to the carb already.
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