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Discussion in 'Pull up a chair and sit for a spell' started by joshbob, Apr 6, 2011.

  1. joshbob

    joshbob Well-Known Member

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    There is a fella on ShovelheadUS who is gonna sell me a new spacer. Although I'm not sure that's the problem. I'm going to take all the stuff off the crankshaft again and try to determine just exactly where the leak is originating. There are 3 possibilities. 1.) At the rubber on the seal itself where it comes into contact with the spacer, 2.) At some point where the metal flange on the seal contacts the insert, and 3.) the worst case scenerio - between the insert and the motor case. If that is where the leak is, I've been told by a couple of guys on the ShovelheadUS forum it would require a new set of cases. One guy actually did that with his shovelhead by replacing his original cases with S&S ones. Lord, I hope it doesn't come to that.
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    chucktx Moderator Staff Member

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    two trains of thought..........it sounds like your building pressure, and the oil is going to the path of least resistance. pull the breather off the hose so it can drain excess oil quickly, but dont let it pump all the oil out. if it is pumping excessivly....you have a problem. it should only vent there. the only way to tell is remove all the restrictions ans see just how much oil is leaving via that route. other thing.....could the oil be comming between the spacer and shaft??
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    Bike has been sitting a while, wonder if it sumped the cases and
    filled them with oil.
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    I'll try what you suggest, Chuck. I'll go out today and disconnect the oil collector/ breather and run the hose to a shallow pan. Then I'll start it up and idle for a few minutes and see what's up.

    Everytime I have started the bike up after it sat a long while it puked out a lot of oil - more than the oil collector is designed to hold. Incidently, the oil collector was designed for shovelhead motors. It appears to hold about 4 or 5 oz. of oil before overflow into the
    filter.

    Boys, I'm beginning to suspect the trouble isn't with the seal . . . .

    Anyway, here are some new pics of the bike as it sits.

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    Man that's a good looking ride , as for the oil seal I bet your right not the seal
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    I agree, great looking ride! :cool:
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    It's in the 30s today so I'm gonna fire up the ol' wood stove out in the shop. First, church. It's right off our back yard so not far to go. Church is the brick building in the background (see pic).

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    Good Luck Josh, I really do hope that this gets taen care of, but I guess I will say it again. The payoff will be so worth it!!!
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    What happened to the Flying Pink Pig???
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    When I was filling the tank last summer some gas got on the paint. When I went to wipe it clean the paint smeared. The paint was artist's colors (acrylic). So I sanded it down and repainted with the flat black. Next time I'll use enamel.

    I think if I listed all the mistakes I've made on this build they would fill a small book!
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    Today, school lets out for 2 weeks for Christmas break. Don't think I've ever seen a bunch of happier kids! Teachers aren't feelin' too shabby, either!

    Should be getting my idle mixture screw and idle speed screw from CVP any day now . . . . that will finish off the mods to the carb, which BTW, runs great right now.

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    That's too bad...I liked it:)The bike will sump and puke when sitting for a while...nature of the beast....

    Enjoy your Christmas break...
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    Yup, sure will. Thanks for the music!
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    Last day of work till Wed after Christmas, girls out of school, happy house tonight. Only bad thing, we have had so much warm weather, was looking forward to riding a bunch, suppose to rain next 5 days. :banghead:

    But, then maybe clear up by Monday, get in a day or two next week. :)
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    Well you are batting 50%
    got the carb issue out of the way
    now just got to figure out if it's over
    pressurizing the cases or
    a bad fit.

    Wonder if you could coat the seals
    outside surface with hylomar a great sealer
    and if it would hold (if it's advisable to do that)
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    I've never heard of Hylomar before. I coated the outside of the seals with permatex gasket maker, which is what I'd been advised to do by some guys on the ShovelheadUS forum. I haven't gotten around to checking out where the leak actually is yet. I think today is the day to find out as it has warmed up and it's my first day of vacation.
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    ya know guys the fact that it sat for a while ! and its getting cold were you live . those cases are shrinking also . and the surface that those seal ride on \has shrunk down a bit . as the cases will also . let it dump out some of that oil in the case . and warm up your horse for a while josh . its prob fine. that shovel has some real metal in it . un like the mix of metals we have now . bet there is some bud cans in my cases.lol as the cases warm up every thing will expand and take up space .and that oil will be back in the tank also .
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    got a customer that lived down here . and was a park ranger her dream was to be able to get a job in alaska as a ranger . after many years of trying to do so . her dream came true . so she asked if it was me moving to alaska what would i drive there . kodiak alaska by the way she was crazy as far as im concerned very very cold in kodiak! I DONT KNOW WHAT FN PARK IS IN KODIAK ALASKA! and dont care . make a long story short .being that your gonna drive there and your a women and the fact if you shut down your gonna freeze to death . you need to find out what every body is driving there in alaska . i dont want to make that call for ya . she called me back and said they all drive suburu all wheel drives . what i said ? yep . ok your on your own . go get one . she did . check it out . change coollant and oil to 5- 20 . off she went 3 weeks later get a call she some were in bfe , and every f-n gasket and seal and hose is leaking fluid ! my first question to her . how cold is it out ? 25 below next did ya plug it in . or is it a heated garage . answer nope . so any how local tech stuck it in a heated garage top off fluids and of she went . my point is this was a late model car with mickey mouse metal . you got old school real metal . and the machine work back then was kinda crude from the motor company few thousands shift was no big deal . there is space to take up get some temp in it . i know it not twenty below but it getting cold out !
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    Josh, the other day I went outside to clean up the garage so the wife could actually get to her car in the morning. As I looked around, I took a look at the Sporty and I happened to notice that I have a small leak under the primary. No big deal, I took WhipLash out for a 20 mile ride to warm her up really good and guess what, no leak. I am with BP, warm it up for a little while and see what happens. Of course, check your oil level first. ;)
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    good morning there johnny boy !

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