Blood, sweat, tears & beers . . .

Good Morning???? I Hate Morning!!!!:gah::gah: How's it going everyone????

BP & JB, thanks boys. I'll try that long warm up like you say first, and then see. It has leaked with the other seals on, but maybe I didn't warm it up enough before. First I will take the oil collector off and drain and clean it. I'll just run the breather hose to a pan and then start it up.

I'll stick my finger in the oil bag. If it comes out dry, I'll top it off!

Ha-ha! Well, if you wake up at all, it's a good morning!

Fire it up first...your oil bag would be low if the oil sumped and will fill up once you start it...then check the level....the only way I can think of for a pressure build up in the cases is if the crank vent was plugged or restricted...check the vent hose for any kinks or sharp bends
And Good Morning boys

Okay . . . .

looking down at the grass is a good morning . not ready to go see my maker yet .!

Just means usually that I have to go to work is all. uke::gah:

I like to put my fingers in too to see if it comes out wet!!!

Okay, one thing at a time. The breather is off and the breather hose was clear - started it up and it still leaked oil out of the seal area - oil also came out the breather, so I'm assumimg there is no obstruction there. I looked at the oil level in the tank before and after starting it and it seemed to be about the same. Hard to tell if oil is returning - should I see bubbles on the surface of the oil? Didn't see any. I have a brand new oil pump. I know oil is circulating through the engine because I had a leak at one of the upper pushrod covers. Once I got it on straight, the leak stopped. So oil is getting to the top of the motor. So I'm assuming it's getting everywhere else as well.

I'm going to try and put in a new spacer as soon as I can get one. The spacer I have is a little beat up. Then a new seal - it will be the 4th try with a new seal. I can't get the old spacer off, however. Any suggestions?

How long did you let the bike run??

Ok couple of stupid but important question . Are we putting lube on the lip of the seal before we install them ? So as not to run the seal dry on the lip of a rotateing shaft at start up . Next around the outer portion of the seal were it goes into the case are we applying sealant there and once it is installed are we applying a small bit of sealant on the front area of the seal and wipeing it withyour finger just to seal it on the front edges of the case .? Make sure the seal is going in equal as you press it in to the case . I lke to use something blunt and made of wood like a dowel and tap very soft all the way around slow. And soft I try to get them as true as possible first buy hand.

You better watch what you say - Santa might be listening! BTW, I let the bike run about 10 minutes.

BP, I did everything you said except put extra Permatex on the edge of the seal after installation. I used regular motor oil to lubricate the seal before installation - also put some on the spacer as well. This time, I also inset the seal about 1/8" deeper than normal so the lips of the seal would not be contacting the same surface area as before. It is in straight and even. I did that because the spacer isn't perfect - I think it must be the original one that came with the motor. I think it's leaking even worse than before . . . .

HRK, I don't have head breathers - just the crankcase breather next to the oil pump. When I ran it again yesterday, it only puked a small amount of oil out of the breather hose, and a little more oil came out from under the rotor. When I go out to start it this morning, I will run the return hose to a container and see if the oil is returning. Will post again as soon as I know.

Mornin' boys. Sitting here sucking down coffee and a coupla aspirin to try and shake this headache.

Anyway, enough about aches and pains. Went out to my shop yesterday and started up the beast - it's returning oil to the bag - but still puking oil out the crankcase breather and still forcing oil out of the seal area. It was 70* yesterday and I so wanted to go for a ride! But there is just too much oil coming out. Also noticed oil on top of the regulator - the oil was coming from a head bolt on the front cylinder. I'm going to check the torque on it today. The leak isn't bad, but is a new development.

I realize that if I still had my enclosed primary, the oil leak at the seal wouldn't matter, plus the breather would be vented to the primary thus eliminating the puking problem. Oh well, I have an open primary and it is what it is. At this point, it doesn't appear that the EBOC (engine breather/oil collector) is going to work very well. It has already filled up and overflowed several times already, and I think that when it overflows it creates more back pressure on the breathing capabilities of the motor. It is supposed to mist, I know, but instead is sending more oil than air out of the vent - at least, that's the way it looks . . . .

There are some heavy looking dark clouds out this morning, but it's 66* . . . guess it's gonna rain.

I have some new seals and a new spacer coming. It will be well into January when they arrive and then we'll see . . . .

Ok, now that you mention it, did you put too much oil in it considering that you don't have an enclosed primary anymore??? Too much oil???

The engine and primary don't use the same oil. I'd check with the engine builder, maybe he made a mistake when puting it together.

Even on a shovel???