1. After 20+ years it's time to pass the torch. If you are interested in acquiring this forum please contact support@cv-performance.com for details. Any spam will be reported and blocked.
  2. Welcome to Bike Talk, a forum for all bikers and motorcycle enthusiasts. If you are new to Bike Talk, be sure to register for free and join the conversation.

    There's always someone around willing to help out with questions or give a friendly wave back. All Harley and metric riders are welcome.

Blood, sweat, tears & beers . . .

Discussion in 'Pull up a chair and sit for a spell' started by joshbob, Apr 6, 2011.

  1. FLHTbiker

    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2004
    Messages:
    18,516
    Likes Received:
    252
    Location:
    Oregon
    Nice jacket will be great for riding. Yea it is really hard to find a lot of things made in the USA. Wife got me a Milwaukee 1/4 drive impact driver for Christmas, :rolleyes: made in China.
    She wanted the lower portion of her bikes windshield etched with Dragon Flys. She has Dragon Flys engraved on her Chrome pieces, very wheel done. I'll post a pic up when I can. Came out very well. I had it ethched in USA by local artist.
  2. cowboy

    cowboy Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2006
    Messages:
    9,926
    Likes Received:
    50
    Location:
    Alvin TX
    he's got his Black denim jacket & his motor sickel boots , he's the leader of the pack :cool: Good looking jacket :D
  3. hotroadking

    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2004
    Messages:
    13,682
    Likes Received:
    584
    Location:
    Mouseville USA
    All he needs now is to plug those bolt holes and ride the dang thing!
  4. joshbob

    joshbob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2010
    Messages:
    5,687
    Likes Received:
    167
    Location:
    Hobgood, N.C.
    Almost! This morning is my first real opportunity to get into town and get the screws. But as I said a few posts back, I can't ride yet. My clutch cable burned all the way thru before I noticed it. The only thing I can do is remove the bottom oil tank bracket which has the tab on it where the clutch cable attaches. I did that yesterday and began mods on it. I cut the tab off and will fabricate an extra piece of metal so I can move the cable tab 3/4" further away from the cylinder fins (see pic.) I'm also getting my custom chain guard welded up - right now it's held together with super glue! (see other pic).

    I discovered another oil leak coming out of one of the front cylinder head bolts (see pic - I'm pointing where the leak is). This is most disturbing to me. I tried tightening it but it's very tight already. Book calls for for 65 ft. lbs. but I can't get my torque wrench on it. This is a new leak. Maybe the gasket is blown?

    Attached Files:

  5. Lucifer

    Lucifer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2008
    Messages:
    3,861
    Likes Received:
    102
    Location:
    Cape Breton NS,Canada
    The heads have to be re-torqued a couple of times after each heat cycle...I think after the initial start up and after 50 and 100 miles...I'm not sure of the correct procedure, but I'm pretty sure Chuck and Kirby do
  6. joshbob

    joshbob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2010
    Messages:
    5,687
    Likes Received:
    167
    Location:
    Hobgood, N.C.
    That's great news if that's what it is! (Called Harley out of curiosity and the head tech said $400 to install a new head gasket). He said they don't like working on shovelheads, but would make an exception in my case since he was impressed an old fart like me would even attempt building my own bike from scratch. But you see, it didn't leak at the head bolt the first 5 or 6 times I started it up - just this last time - and it seems very likely the heads simply need to be retorqued. I certainly hope that is the case! Maybe I can get Tattoo to help me as my torque wrench will not allow me to get the socket squarely on the bolt head. The book says to torque the heads down a little bit on each bolt (about a quarter turn) till 65 ft. lbs. is achieved, but does not give a particular sequence. I know a quarter turn will not be necessary; probably just a tweak on each of the bolts.

    The screws & retainer were in stock at Harley. I'm going to pick them up now. I'm hoping to get the welding done tomorrow by my farm mechanic buddy who has a MIG welder. Like I may have said before, his welds ain't the prettiest, but they're solid and they're free!

    I am going to use the clutch cable I have. I inspected it closely with a magnifying glass and it didn't quite burn all the way thru to the wire, but did burn thru the black casing.
    Last edited: Dec 27, 2011
  7. joshbob

    joshbob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2010
    Messages:
    5,687
    Likes Received:
    167
    Location:
    Hobgood, N.C.
    Hope to get the welding done today - I'm doing a little woodworking for my welder, so we exchange labor that way.

    Last night got the left side of the motor buttoned back up. Tattoo is closed until after New Years, then I'm gonna ride to his shop in Tarboro and check the torque on the head bolts . . . .

    Attached Files:

  8. FLHTbiker

    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2004
    Messages:
    18,516
    Likes Received:
    252
    Location:
    Oregon
    You say your going to ride it there, now that is what I like to hear, :D
  9. Lucifer

    Lucifer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2008
    Messages:
    3,861
    Likes Received:
    102
    Location:
    Cape Breton NS,Canada
    Hmmm...not sure if I'd ride it there...I'd check it out first to see if its safe to do so with the head gasket leaking,wouldn't want to blow it out...PM Kirby and/or Chuck and ask Tattoo Tony if it's OK to ride it or not....
    Hate to see you this close to finishing then blowing a head gasket...
  10. cowboy

    cowboy Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2006
    Messages:
    9,926
    Likes Received:
    50
    Location:
    Alvin TX
    I have to agree with lucifer , you don't want to blow a head gasket , arm pressure them down first use you tq wrench get the feel of the right tq then use a wrench on the bolts
  11. FLHTbiker

    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2004
    Messages:
    18,516
    Likes Received:
    252
    Location:
    Oregon
    Well then Josh, guess you'll have to rent a trailer instead of riding it over there or go buy a torque wrench then ride the friggen thing. :rolleyes:
  12. joshbob

    joshbob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2010
    Messages:
    5,687
    Likes Received:
    167
    Location:
    Hobgood, N.C.
    I got a swivel socket on the bolts today and retorqued them with my torque wrench. It didn't seem like they moved at all. Don't know yet if that will stop the leak. When I get the other things fixed, I'll start it up and idle and see if it still leaks . . . .
  13. Lucifer

    Lucifer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2008
    Messages:
    3,861
    Likes Received:
    102
    Location:
    Cape Breton NS,Canada
    This is where an experienced shovel guy could help(I ain't one of 'em:))..is re-torquing just putting the torque wrench on and tightening or is it backing them off a little and re-torquing???:confused:
  14. JohnnyBiker

    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2010
    Messages:
    9,568
    Likes Received:
    205
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Not a pro, but when I torque something down, I use a staggered pattern. I continuously go through the sequence until all are torqued evenly. Remember, when bolt A is torqued, bolt b is no longer at the same spec. If you just go through the pattern once, you really aren't torqued to spec because everything is now being seated properly.. Just my thoughts.
  15. MountainCruiser

    MountainCruiser Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2011
    Messages:
    1,203
    Likes Received:
    27
    Location:
    Asheville, North Carolina
    That is a real good point. I don't know either, but that is what I would do Josh. Back off a bit, then re-torq.
  16. HarleysLR

    HarleysLR Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2007
    Messages:
    2,113
    Likes Received:
    13
    Location:
    Colorado Springs, CO
    it has been sitting for a couple of years, I'd just ride the thing for a bit and then see how things look. It needs to get good and hot a few times so things settle in. 5 or 10 minutes here and there don't help an engine settle in to it's own. If you think you have to tear it down again anyway why not run it some first, it's at best a 25 year old motor with some new parts. Give it some run time before you do anything else. JMO
  17. HarleysLR

    HarleysLR Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2007
    Messages:
    2,113
    Likes Received:
    13
    Location:
    Colorado Springs, CO
    my last thought on the subject,
    With all you've been through working on this bad boy, you could do the gaskets yourself and save money. You have the skill and patience to do it.
    Maybe your engine builder wasn't such a top notch guy, so try it yourself you can do it.
  18. Lucifer

    Lucifer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2008
    Messages:
    3,861
    Likes Received:
    102
    Location:
    Cape Breton NS,Canada
    :D It's more like 35 yrs old...time is just flying by:eek: I did learn re-torquing the heads on a new build shovel is part of the break in sequence...I don't know if he ran it enough to need the 1st re-torque or not...but with a leaking head I'm kinda thinking it does need one...
  19. FLHTbiker

    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2004
    Messages:
    18,516
    Likes Received:
    252
    Location:
    Oregon
    My vote is with HarleyLR, ride it first.
  20. joshbob

    joshbob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2010
    Messages:
    5,687
    Likes Received:
    167
    Location:
    Hobgood, N.C.
    Ride it I shall. Tired of all this dicking around. As soon as I get the oil tank bracket welded and installed, I'm going for a ride . . . .

Share This Page