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Discussion in 'Pull up a chair and sit for a spell' started by joshbob, Apr 6, 2011.

  1. joshbob

    joshbob Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, but figuring out which technique works best is tricky. It's harder with a kick start, I'm finding out. Only got so many in me!;)Thought I had it figured out already . . . dang, couldn't find my spare slow jet - good thing I'm getting a tuner's kit from CVP.

    In the meantime, I will try starting it again today.
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    Gonna have mid 60s today and low to mid 70s tomorrow - should be able to get in a ride or two providing I can get the beast started! Unbelievably great weather!
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    As we get older electric start is sure nice :)
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    Yeah Kick start looks cool, but then again starters were put on there
    for a reason LOL O'l Josh Bob probably got one of the rotary dial phones there in HobKnob....

    Or even a party line! LOL

    Have fun, once you get her pattern down you'll be good.

    If it's flooding and you're only giving it a squirt then
    it's possible it's the float sticking and flowing gas into the engine
    when it's over on the sidestand, you do turn the gas off
    at the petcock when it's not being ridden? I've had one stick
    looks like niagra when you take the filter off.

    Can load up the engine with gas and fubar the oil
    You might want to pull the filter before starting, turn on the petcock and see
    if fuel is flowing into the intake from the carb. If so you have stuck float

    Just tap the bottom of the bowl (turn off petcock asap)
    with a rubber screwdriver hammer to free up the float
    sometimes they stick. If that doesn't do it, drain the bowl, drop it
    and check the float to be sure it's set at the right height and
    moving.
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    joshbob Well-Known Member

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    I got one of those old crank up phones - but I had to make some concessions going into the 21st century and got myself a "dumb" phone! Float isn't stuck and is set correctly. It might just be my technique (I haven't been consistant). But I started having this trouble when I switched to a CVP idle mixture screw. Waiting on the tuning kit and will take the carb off then and start over.
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    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

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    You didn't accidentally leave a jet out?
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Put the stock adjustment screw back in, if the problem goes away
    you solved your problem!
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    Agreed, if the stock one was working why change. I'm not knocking the EZ adjust screw but if you read on here several people have had trouble with them. You only have to adjust the carb once and your done, why does someone need an EZ adjust. But then again what I do I know, I've only got 71,000 miles on my carb.
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Especially on a CV, once you get it set it's forget it.

    The EZ makes it easier to reach but unless you are doing things
    like cams, pipes, filters and changing out all the time
    once the screw is set it's set, a "special" screw doesn't make it
    adjust any better, just easier to reach.. JMO
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    All good advice. I think I may have fubbered the rubber o-ring - last time I saw it, it was getting pretty worn out - kind of flat and dish shaped. When my tuners kit comes, I'll just change the o-ring and put the stock mixture screw back in. If it works, I'll leave it as is. If problem persists, I'll have to take the carb off and go through it. Thanks, guys.

    I don't have any spare jets, and I actually remember screwing them both in!
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    when you turn in the screw to set it
    do it very lightly until it stops, don't jam it
    in and crank it down or you can
    change the size of the machined hole
    the needle is being used to adjust.
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    I couldn't wait for the tuners kit so I put the old mixture screw in. I got it to Putt-putt a couple of times, but it wouldn't run for long, maybe a second or two. I kept taking the plugs off and they always looked DRY. I'm going to check today and see if the carb is getting gas. Will also check to see if fuel is being squirted into the intake manifold. This is puzzling to me.

    Is it possible the spark might be too weak going to the plugs? The bike has never started easy. Would it be better if I got a coil with more output? Would it make starting easier? I was never impressed with the small spark at the plugs.
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    Just pull the air cleaner and twist the throttle and you can see it squirt fuel or not. Good spark is essential for easy starting and running. If the plugs you are using have been fouled before that could be an issue also.
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    plugs r cheep.

    Keep a couple of spare sets around, even a set on your bike in water tight baggie under seat with cheap plug wrench for this problem when you are on road.

    If you put the wet plugs back, change them.

    You can check spark at the coil to see what it's putting out.
    Coils generally work or don't work... rare they get weak, they
    usually just stop working...

    Compression, spark, fuel, need all three

    You have compression
    you have spark, if it's dying
    in a short run it sounds like fuel related.

    Check petcock, is it on.
    check fuel in tank, you got some?
    check carb, drain bowl, (turn off petcock) see if you have gas in the bowl.

    Float might be stuck down or part way. not uncommon after
    being worked on, shidt happens.

    tap the bowl bottom a few times with a plastic screwdriver hammer
    might just pop it loose. Turn on fuel see if she squirts..
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    This bug has been dragging on way too long. Dont seem like Anything is this hard to fix.JMO,but it's gonna be something really simple that gets yiu up and running.Again JMO :banghead:
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    Well, I changed the plugs, took off the air cleaner - I can see fuel squirting in when I twist the throttle. Enricher seems to be functioning properly - moves up about a half inch when engaged. When kicking it, I'm getting a thump once in a while, most of the time nothing. I'm kicking it with the pedal around 10 o'clock - any higher, like around 11 o'clock, and I have too much difficulty kicking it through. I always kick on the compression stroke.:gah::witsend:

    I've checked everything and done everything except take the float bowl off & see if the float is stuck - but the carb is getting gas - I figure the float is alright.
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    Check power wires to coil


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    How's the ignition timing?
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    Power is getting to coil but I think it's weak. Timing is good. I think I may go with a (double fire) coil that puts out 35,000 volts, (looks like the stock black coil for those years) - only about $60 and made in the USA. Won't hurt. All other componants in the electrical system seem to be working as they should.

    Just read on the Shovelhead forum that there are basically 2 ways to kickstart a cold shovel engine.
    One is: no prime, turn on key, and kick. (Mine doesn't start that way).
    Two is: twist the throttle twice, then a prime kick, then turn on key and kick. Nothing is said about the enricher, but I'm assuming that it's choked when starting cold. Will go out tomorrow and try # 2 as I might be getting the sequence wrong. Duh . . . .

    Something else is going on - There is a horrible sucking sound in the oil tank when kicking it - sounds like some slavering beast anticipating ripping somebody's head off! (One of the reasons I call it "the beast).:cool:I suppose it's the oil returning to the tank. It stops when the motor is running.

    It's puking some oil out the breather hose, but that will settle down once it starts running. Here's a pic of the gizmo I made so the oil spray would hit the chain. Made from a short section of flat iron & welded to a large nut, screwed the hose into it, ground it round. I think it will work once I get things rolling again. The hose needed to be 2 feet long to reach. I guess I wasted $85 when I bought the engine breather/oil collector. It's pretty and it works, but you have to empty it out too often and it clogs up the filter too and leaks oil all over when it overflows.

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    Just went out and tried to start it, but it's cold out there - in the 40's. Feels like I'm trying to kick thru molasses. Also the battery looked low, as the tail light wasn't as bright as it usually is, so I put it on the charger/tender. Later today when it warms up some and if I have a fully charged battery, I'll try again. Right now it's lunch time. Mac the Wife is out of town today with her friend Carol. I'm gonna kick back and watch old John Wayne westerns.

    Forgot to mention it, but I worked some on my seat yesterday. Built a new, longer front bracket and welded in new stantions for the springs. I was able to move the seat back another 2" toward the rear fender. Much better riding position now.

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