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Cam tensioner questions

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Tech Talk' started by HDROADKING62, Jun 13, 2011.

  1. JohnnyBiker

    JohnnyBiker Well-Known Member

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    Those SE Selectable ignitions are really nice. Right now I have mine set on the lowest level that is recommended for my engine set up.. I am looking to switch that one step up for a 500 rpm increase in the ramp..:D
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    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

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    Mine is a factory HD stage 2 download not a program somebody did up on a dyno. :rolleyes:

    If the Limited was a carb I would probably like it better. ;)
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    ;)
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    Hey cardboard know anyone who wants to Buy a EFI system , thats the best thing I have done to my bike was take it off , Bike runs better , sounds better & just guessing so far seems to be getting better MPG with the CV carb
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    Because you never put a good tuner on it.
    You never seen how easy and dependable it is to do it with EFI.
    You know nothing about EFI how to work on it or how to tune it.
    It takes time and money or somebody that does to work with it.
    Is yer car or truck still carb ?
    See many folks still driving a vehicle with a carb ?
    A carb is a antique.
    Think back and see how many years its been since they put a carb on a car.
    The EFI systems cranks better all the time and gives less trouble if taken care of.
    Look at how much farther our new cars and trucks runs nowdays with less maintenance

    I work on Carbed Boats and fuel injected everyday. CAn't tell you how much difference there is between smooth running and crankin and the maintenance on the two.
    Carbs gives a lot more problems crankin with Ethanol than fuel injected too.
    When the octane raiting on the new gas drops the carbs are even harder starting than the turn key fuel injection on 2 strokes.
    The 4 strokes are even a lot more higher maintenance on them believe it or not. And when something breaks on the 4 strokes its 5 times as high to repair. And yes they was still puttin carbs on 4 strokes as of last year. The jets gets stopped up so easily. And gives many, many problems.
    Think the goverment make it so they couldn't do any carbs on the 4 strokes as of last year.
    Ya know my grandmother told me when I was a Kid. The world forever changes, learn to change with it or git left behind.
    And it only cost a little more to go 1st class.

    I listened to everything she said. Weather I practise it or not.


    Can remember when I had my Pan guys was takin the distributor out and puttin a Joe Hunt magneto in place of it to make the bike crank easier. They was new technology too.
    To me its for people who hasn't learned the present and how to come to it
    If you have a bike that came from the factory that was carbed that is different.
    But I can remember years ago. we was takin carbs off and puttin systems on cars with computers to control them.
    Why don't you take the old style Disc brakes off and go back to Drum brakes.

    I didn't just start doing this stuff. Started riding in 1964,
    Sure you can do a lot of things to a Harley, but when you do them are you doing it RIGHT.
    Only time I migh think about takin a EFI off a bike and going to a carb is if'n I was gonna Race it.

    Got a lot of friends that are MMI and other graduates and watched them build Old and new bikes and seen what they know.
    Got a buddy that works 45 miles up the lake that used to build Race Bikes.
    The new 4 piston Brembo brakes and EFI and the new frams rocks.
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  6. Lucifer

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    Nothing wrong with a PCIII just not the most expensive one out there...$1000. for a tuner just to go Stage 1 is insane
    Dig deep in yer pockets to get yer Stage 1 running right...dig deep again if you add a cam later or want to change pipes
    Truck and cars are EFI... bone stock,
    4 passed me yesterday with their old cars purring like kittens,my fuel pump chit the bed on the Chev
    So were the cars :rolleyes:
    Been a while since carbs were production on cars,not that long since they were on bikes...Malibu fuel pump and Chrysler 300 both wouldn't start but cranked over fine....1 was the fuel pump the other a crank sensor 40,000 miles and 70,000 miles on them

    Ethanol sucks!!! Now yer getting into outboard motors, both run fine tuned right
    2 strokes less maintenance than 4 strokes...hmmm I doubt that
    Yes it does, but not always for the better
    It costs a lot more to go 1st class,back to that deep pocket thing again

    I guess...or not:roflmao:


    some new tech is good
    How so??:confused:
    was it really better or just new ??


    Carbs are better than EFI for racing... :confused::roflmao:

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion:D
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    Only the 08 and newer bikes with TBW are 900.00
    But you guys make them what price you want

    The other thunder-max are around 650.00
    Check eastern performance

    Don't compare a tuner without auto tune to the price of a tuner with auto tune
    You guys kill me
    You guys want to ride a Harley but don't want to pay for doing changes to it
  8. FLHTbiker

    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

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    Your so right on Lucifer but CB will still not buy into it. My new 2011 with cams runs so much better with just a factory stage 2 download now I can't believe it. I had a dyno tune done with a race tuner and it was burning way to rich and my mileage sucked. Course CB will say it was a bad tuner. Yet it still cost me that 1,000.00 to get it done. Never again as that was an expensive lesson I'll never do again.
    The only thing I will agree with CB on is the new Brembo brakes and the new frame, they do rock. Deer jumped out in front of me on the way home from Hells Canyon and bike did not lock up when I pulled down hard on the brakes. They guy with me had stock older brakes and he stopped about twenty yards beyond me. Good thing the deer jumped when it did or Vern would have been plucking deer hair out of the bike.
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    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

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    I think this is a great discussion without guys yelling and getting upset, good conversation and knowledge. Its the way it should be. :D
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    It's all in who did the dyno tune
    Hard to find a good dyno man
    And who tuned the download
    Bet yer dealership has gone threw Some dyno men and mechanics
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    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

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    Nope they have thesame mechanics for years now.
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    It's one of the reasons I suggest fuelmotousa.com to people with stage 1 or 2 builds using common parts such as SE Cams and V&H pipes, they have done the dynos with those
    parts and have maps that are very very close.

    Autotuners are good for a range and do some good things but again it's expensive, but not much more than a untuned device out of a box that needs a proper map, again, fuelmotousa.com has that solved.

    Used to be you got a PC3, no map, found a map that was "close" and your bike ran like crap.

    EFI is way beyond the abilities of a carb, you have three tuning zones on a carb, you have hundreds on EFI. So with a good tuner, or program like TTS if you have some patience and a laptop you can tune it pretty darn close yourself. Even setup a bagger
    and get 50+ MPG easy. Just takes some knowledge,

    Nice thing about EFI is you can smoke a cigar when you tune, and you never
    get gas all over you, fubar gaskets, and have to remove a ton of parts like a carb (why they don't have ez access to the jets from the bowl is dumb...

    Can't do that with jet changing, well you can, but it's not smart LOL
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    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

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    I really like my factory stage 2 download, working great and no need to tune it any further.
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    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Yep in some cases that is the ticket, it will work well with some combos and you matched up well..

    Are you getting all you can out of it, maybe but if you don't care and it runs good and you're happy and you know it, clap your hands LOL
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    Yep, clapping hard :cheers: ;)

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