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Discussion in 'Pull up a chair and sit for a spell' started by JohnnyBiker, Dec 20, 2010.

  1. FLHTbiker

    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

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    Ken, your products are top notch to and I really hope that you'll be able to keep following your guidelines that you have set. I wished other manufactures could follow your example.
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    You are in a very specialized area, and from the research that I have done, you are not that big, and it seems to be that way by design. I have no problem with that. Good for you, I have nothing but respect for that. However, I guess I can see how this is really an ethics issue?? Goes back to being a capitalist, protectionist, socialist,or communist. Just because a person wants to make make does not mean that they have poor ethics.

    I agree with established on this forum that I would be ok to pay more for a product that works and lives up to any hype, unfortunately, in times of need, people are looking to save money. That means buying from other sources other than from the U.S. As a business owner, how does that happen???
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    I take it from your lack of response that you don't want to. Disproves your argument don't it????
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    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

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    JB, the whole thing started many years ago when Americans started buying import cars and then led to the cool thing to buy from overseas. Even when the American car manufactures were building the same quality you still heard that America could not build it as good.
    The unions have had a big impact on the American auto manufactures cost of building their product to compete in price.
    If your looking for a big debate on this subject you may be looking in the wrong place. Sure we don't like that manufactures are going to china however we as individuals here can't do a lot about it except to say no we don't like it and we look to our leadership for those answers. Yes, they are not doing a very good job of it, especially right now. Things have got to change and we need to come together as a country before they will change.
    My opinion:)
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    I have owned both American and foreign cars. In my opinion, foreign are better, for that particular argument. Since you have used that as an example, I agree, that in essence is when it began, along with favorable legislation. Remember this, when a company goes to a foreign country, as an example, Toyota, which is a Japanese company, and it comes to the U.S., those products (cars) that are made in the U.S. goes towards the U.S.'s Gross Domestic Product, not to the Japanese GDP. This is what I think is messed up, if you are an American company, then that should go towards the American GDP. Agree or Disagree??

    Again, "Can't do much about it" (FLHTBiker, 2010). Do you really believe that???
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    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

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    Referring to the people here on Bike Talk.
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    Here is a good description of what is happening, and there is really no way around this. Check the link. I posted this link because I watched a show on TV that was talking about a particular aspect of what this links says.

    If you choose to click this link, please take the time to read the ENTIRE PAGE. this TV show that I am talking of mentioned, actually, it has just been in the news lately that Obama has been talking about overhauling the tax code. If you read this page, it will address just that, or taxes. Please have an open mind, I am not saying that I agree entirely, or at all, but it was interesting.


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    True, my area is specialized and as stated I am in fact a small company. However despite the size of my company my products are sold in almost every country in Europe, Australia, and even Japan, so my product isn't so localized that it doesn't fall under the same circumstances of many other manufacturers. To me it really doesn't matter how big my company becomes, I have made it clear from the day I started that I'm selling an American made product with a vested interest in the local economy. I can't say the same for some others in my industry who started out "Made in America" only to change directions for the sake of profit. To me that's a matter of ethics. I'm certainly not trying to convince anyone to only buy my product or others because it is American made, but rather offering it as a choice.

    Just stating my opinion, not really interested in debating what is or isn't capitalism.
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    I love that you have been able to do what you do. You are an oak compared to the competition. So you have experience with globalization then? How has it been treating you??

    Now this is where I wanted this thread to go? Has it been treating you poorly? Have you been able to experience more profit by selling outside of the U.S.?

    I take it since you have are still in business, it has been going well? You are obviously an exception to the rule, you made a strategic decision not to offshore your product, THAT IS AWESOME, but you had to tap into the "world" market. Again, AWESOME!!
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    No some people have to get up early to go to work .can't stay up all night playing on computor.
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    Put a bunch of Stockholders in his company and see what happens.......
    Yer gonna have to give the stockholders something fer their money. And you know that.......
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    From what I hear on here from Ken, I really don't think that Ken is interested in stockholders. Just like in my business I don't want to be the biggest but simply the best when I do inspections. I think Ken in his business is like that as well. I believe he is simply trying to say also that he wants his products to be the best and that their made in the USA. I think he is proud of that fact. I also feel that its something he can hold his head up high about.

    Here in Oregon we have Made in Oregon Stores, they have them in several locations including at the airport. They sell a lot of their items that are Made in Oregon. More expensive yep, but worth every penny.
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    Selling stocks only benefits the company once and that is during the IPO stage. After that, the investor is on their own. the company can offer more stock, but why if there is no immediate need to build revenue? I do not know how his business is set up. There are certain types of set ups that are not allowed to sell stock, or even buy an interest in other businesses.
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    I can't say selling outside the US has treated me any better or worse, simply a different avenue to sell my product. Sales are primarily to individuals and independent shops via internet sales.

    I feel that I am still in business because I supply a quality product and I place myself in the shoes of the customer treating each as I would personally expect to be treated myself. Also I should point out that I did not have to tap into markets outside of the US and Canada, I did so because there was a need and requests to do so. I certainly wouldn't say they are a must for keeping my business in the black. Also for every country that I've sold in there are that many more that I avoid for obvious reasons like restrictions, political unrest, and corruption dealing with payment and delivery.
    True but so far the only other shareholder than myself is the wife and she seems to be happy with what she gets. :p

    I should point out that I'm a small but growing business by every account and do not wish to imply that larger corporations should be following the same path. I do know companies that remain true to not outsourcing their manufacturing and enjoy global success, yet still keep investors happy. It may not be easy but it can still be done.
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    I never voted for the Dems but sometimes I wonder if it would've made any difference who I voted for?
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