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Fuel controller

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Tech Talk' started by hogcowboy, Aug 27, 2012.

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  1. alex the dog

    alex the dog Active Member

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    I just rode to a rally In Durango CO this last weekend with a group of 10 others. My bike is a stock 96" with 2 into 1 pipes and a K&N air filter. It was running nice but popping on decel, so I bought a V&H Fuelpak and it not only eliminated the popping, but added quite a bit of power.

    How much power, I don't know. But it will outrun the guys with stock 103 and 110 motors, so I know this set-up works. It stunned these guys so much that they think my 96 is built-up and don't believe me when I say it's stock. Not bad for less than $200.

    On top of that, I got between 55 and 60 mpg, and they didn't believe that either until they saw that I never filled up when they did.

    Some here will say the V&H Fuelpak isn't a tuner and doesn't work. Whatever. I'm telling you it works great and will save you some money.
    alex the dog, Sep 10, 2012
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  3. Fatboy128

    Fatboy128 Well-Known Member

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    I was one of those who said I had trouble with the Fuelpak in that V&H did not have a map for my engine (95 cubes) and Screaming Eagle II slip-ons, K&H breather and I don't know cams. They said "try this", "oh then try this" , "oh that didn't work then try this".If they have your engine, pipes and breather listed I would resume they would have a map. In my case, Fuelmoto hit it right the very first time for me.

    That MPG is incredible! Glad to hear it worked out for you guys! :cheers:
    Fatboy128, Sep 10, 2012
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  4. alex the dog

    alex the dog Active Member

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    Fatboy, when I bought this in 2011, they sent me a list of components with the maps associated with those components. The list had the exact parts that I installed, ie: Rinehart pipes, K&N air filter, etc. I just entered the numbers given into the FuelPak, then hit "enter", and that was it. Took 30 seconds. I never had to call them.

    My bike is stock, so that was probably why it worked so easily. Diff. cams, pistons, and compression would only be a guess on the correct map unless it was on a dyno. Too bad they couldn't help you.
    alex the dog, Sep 10, 2012
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  5. cardboard

    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    You can bust my chops , I had or got downstairs a Doebeck performance unit downstairs. It wasn't nothing to write home about.
    And I bought a PCV with A/T from Jamie.
    The PCV kept erasing the map.
    I even had one dynoed twice and it erased it both times.
    So they finally came out with the Thunder-Max for TBW bikes. I had one on a 97 model
    Stuck the new TBW TM on my bike and have been riding since.
    cardboard, Sep 12, 2012
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  6. FLHTbiker

    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

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    Know a guy who put the fuelpak on is bike. He set it to what they said. His bike was stock with just V&H pipes. His pipes started turning color as it was running to hot. We told him, but he didnt listen. He burned his valves up, was running to lean. Could have put a hole in the top of a piston to. Don't recommend them. Might work for a few but not all.
    FLHTbiker, Sep 12, 2012
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  7. cardboard

    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    The Doebeck controller I have downstairs , IS NOT a tuner.
    It tries to change the fuel some.
    I can not recommend it. And if you change any cams or whatever, it is useless.
    Money throwed away
    cardboard, Sep 12, 2012
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  8. hotroadking

    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Tmax is good but out of many folks budget

    Power Commander issues like yours are very rare,
    you should have sent it back and had it replaced as
    it's clear the unit is defective.

    PC is probably best for a lot of folks especially the older
    systems with MM EFI controls

    I prefer the tuning capabilities of the software solutions
    that allow you to connect to the stock ECM upload maps
    or dyno and have custom maps IN the stock ECM vs
    replacing it and having to carry the stock one around
    in case of failure of the Tmax...

    TTS Mastertune is the one I use.
    hotroadking, Sep 12, 2012
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  9. cardboard

    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    The Harley Davidson is out of most folks budget. But they buy them.
    Why buy a cheap piece of junk that can cause you problems.
    If you are gonna do it, do it right or leave it alone.:rant:
    cardboard, Sep 12, 2012
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  10. FLHTbiker

    FLHTbiker Moderator Staff Member

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    That is why I bought a cheap piece of junk as you call it (Harley Tuner) my power and mileage are fantastic. :)
    FLHTbiker, Sep 12, 2012
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  11. hotroadking

    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Well then why didn't you leave yours alone then



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    hotroadking, Sep 12, 2012
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  12. cardboard

    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    You trying to say I didn't do it right with a Thunder-Max
    cardboard, Sep 12, 2012
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  13. hotroadking

    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Just pointing out what's right for you doesn't mean everyone else too

    TTS
    PCV
    TMAX

    all equally good and just different approaches.


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    hotroadking, Sep 12, 2012
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  14. cardboard

    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    HotRoadKing, Iknow nobody that can use a TTS with their laptop.
    I've Got the PCV A/T and had problems with it.
    The TM is my 2nd one. And you can do anything to your bike and it will still work.
    T man Reisner with T man performance even likes the Thunder-Max.
    cardboard, Sep 12, 2012
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  15. hotroadking

    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    and they like TTS too,

    You know me, I can run mine with a laptop,
    I've done tuning runs on 4 different HD's from stock
    cvo to one we just built up to a 106, all worked fine
    with laptop hooked to TTS, uploaded maps, did the ve runs
    all the stuff thats needed.

    Not saying the Tmax is bad however it's a complete
    replacement system and very expensive,

    You have to let people know the options, even though you
    had one bad PCV you know there are millions of them out there
    without problems on Busa's, dirt bikes, street bikes, hd's
    beemers, rice crusiers. fact is they work and work well

    So if you want a tmax you can't just say it's the best
    because it isn't, its in a group of very good tuning solutions
    and not the end all of systems. A good one yes.

    Everyone has different needs

    You want to replace the whole system ecm sensors, wires etc Tmax
    You want to bolt on a part that will do the same PCV add the tuner
    and it's just the same as a Tmax

    You don't like parts replacement, want the bike to run on stock bits
    but run all the aftermarket or stock parts better, TTS, no bolt on, no clip on
    no replacement of parts.

    Three solutions that all end up with very good results...

    Again not knocking the Tmax just trying to be realistic with the
    description. People should look at all the options.
    hotroadking, Sep 12, 2012
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    cardboard Well-Known Member

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    Seen more problems than just my PC problem
    And we are not you. We can't tune the TTS with a computer like you HRK'
    I've seen a lot of orange lookin pipes bacause of some of the tuners on the market too.
    cardboard, Sep 13, 2012
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  17. cowboy

    cowboy Moderator Staff Member

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    1+
    cowboy, Sep 13, 2012
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  18. hotroadking

    hotroadking Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I'm no tuning wizard, don't own a dyno, but I can read a book
    and understand the in and out of it. TTS is a lot easier than
    you think.

    What problems did you have when you installed the TTS that
    caused your bike to run bad, and did it turn your pipes yellow?

    The difference between what I'm saying and you are saying is
    obvious to me, choices exist, you chose one, nobody said it was wrong
    but you continue to crap on the others because they are not your
    choice. IE it's my way or no way, and that's just not the way it is.

    I'd prefer to let people know all the choices and they can decide.
    hotroadking, Sep 13, 2012
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  19. cowboy

    cowboy Moderator Staff Member

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    1+ again for HRK
    cowboy, Sep 13, 2012
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    +2....TMax is good and very expensive... I got cams ,lifters and a FM PCIII for a couple hundred less than a TMax alone....PCIII has been flawless and the bike runs strong....
    Lots of options out there that are very good,just depends on what you're after...And sometimes there will be a failure in a unit...any one of them TMax TTS PCIII PCV can fail,doesn't mean they're no good,just means you got a dud....
    Lucifer, Sep 13, 2012
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    When I took the PCV off and put the TM on I feltore power
    cardboard, Sep 13, 2012
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