Good bike to get on

My dad was a quality engineer for Tonka Toys for a long time. I agree completely with what ATD is saying. I remember this on time my dad and I were in the garage working on a wood project of his and he showed me how a circular saw wobbled. he specifically said, Look how this saw is junk. I can't remember what the brand was anymore, but I do know that he didn't have that saw for very long. I think Sleepy makes a good statement, there is "true value" and there is "perceived value." Which is which?

For me, quality and value are easy to see and justify. Sometimes, all it takes is to pick the product up and feel it's heft compared to the cheaper one.

I said "sometimes". Sometimes, lighter is better quality, like in golf clubs and Glock hand-guns.