Gun Control

Obama is on now talking about the majority of Americans support the banning of assault weapons and high capacity magazines for guns. Better get you AR type rifle now.
He is going to ban any military type killing rifle as he stated. He is going to use all the powers of his office to stop this violence with these type of guns.
He also wants mental health to be better, wow about time.

Better get a gun while you can

There are many competition shooting and matches for legal owners of these type of rifles. They are also excellent rifles for deer hunting and great in the brush. They would have to be used with a 5 round only mag here in Oregon for hunting. This is fine cause if you can't hit a deer in the first one or second shot the animal will be gone, guaranteed. I've hunted deer with a single shot black powder rifle and taken many with one shot. But, I don't hunt with a black powder in the thick western Oregon jungle type brush with all the rain.

Tommy yer scaring me man...

So you're ok with banning all Glock handguns, all Sig Sauer hand guns
the Marines now use 1911's, so that's ok too. any 9mm would be banned, basically all firearms have military background

I'm not for banning anything, there isn't any reason
it's a simpleminded agenda that believes that banning is going
to change this situation

Lets look at the Oregon Mall and CT shootings and why the ban wouldn't work.

1) neither shooter obtained the firearms in a legal manner
2) neither shooter bought the guns using proper channels
3) the CT shooter wasn't of age to legally purchase
4) both stole guns from someone, one a relative

So tell me, how that ban would have stopped these
actions, do you think because an AR tactical style rife
was not available they wouldn't pick up a ruger 10/22
and several magazines and do the same?

Why would they then not get a Glock and 5 10 round mags
they already carried hundreds of rounds, all they need are more
mags.

While nobody wants these shootings to happen
explain to me exactly how your ban on military weapons
would have stopped the situation..

My suggestion, eliminate gun free zones,
two of these actions were in no gun zones
the movie theater had a ban on CCW and we know the
school was locked down, the shooter took out a window
to get in, and of course nobody inside was armed.

How do they defend themselves without going to jail

The fact is in both cases the criminal doesn't care
about your gun laws and never will, only the lawful
care, and that's the problem...

yes hunting is fine. Look these are semi auto rifles,
no different than a little ruger 10/22 rifle that's been
around for 50 years, and 5 round mags for hunting
are available.

So you'd be ok with outlawing every ruger 22 rifle too.

http://www.ruger.com/products/1022/index.html

Other than "appearance" both these rifles operate and shoot
exactly the same way, magazine load, 22 LR, pull trigger
shoot, pull again, shoot again.

It's only aesthetics.

She should have had a gun safe with those guns in the safe. Yes, she was irresponsible for leaving them laying around, especially when she even told the guy that would baby sit her son to not turn his back on him or don't leave him alone even if you need to go to the bathroom. Now that is a pretty scary. It's not the gun or the guns manufactures fault but I believe the fault lays entirely on her for leaving them around for him to easily access them.

Do we know they were laying around?
Do we know she didn't have a safe?

What if they were packing to go to the range
which has been reported as an activity she enjoyed.

DO NOT SHIFT BLAME FROM THE SHOOTER! this is the game they try
and get you to play, the problem is the mind behind the finger, not the mom
dad, school teacher. The kid had MENTAL issues, in fact I read where the mother
was working on having him committed for care, he was outside her control.

Now if that is the case she should have removed the firearms from
the home and stored them at an LGS until he was committed, but for
20 years he's just been a problem, maybe getting worse.

So here we have rational people calling for gun bans
because they "NEED" to do "Something" bullshidt
and they can't put the shooter in jail or the mother in jail

Focus people...the problem is mental health and families
that ignore responsibilities in dealing with mentally ill people.

Tommy you can't own a full auto weapon in this country which is what a real military ARs or other same type weapons are. The AR type guns here are only Semi- Auto guns that are allowed to be used and purchased.

So what constitutes a military style or style weapon...looks.

Guess I'm a little sensitive to anyone agreeing to let these politicians
do jack shidt with our rights, and believe me if Zero can he will, he'd dump the 2nd in a noo yawk second.

I can understand that, but tell me this, how many deaths
murders, mass killings have occurred in your lifetime with a military
style weapon.

Now we could say Kennedy because of the Mauser style bolt action
and the killings at Texas by WHitman because he used an M1 Carbine
interesting enough WHitman went through severe depression, was discharged dishonorably from the Marines, had beaten his wife 3 times, was afraid he was becoming his dad, a wife beater. Hmm Mental illness

Who's been killed on us soil with any automatic weapon, none that I can think of off the top of my head.

How about this, last year we legally murdered 1.2 million kids in the USA.
1.2 million abortions every year take the life of kids. Maybe we should outlaw
sex....

How about the Clown Killer, John Wayne Gacy no guns killed 33 boys, raped, beaten and killed in his basement, we should outlaw any type of Clown suits, or character suits to be worn by non employees of the licensed rep of the Character, that way no Ronald McDonalds can go to playgrounds, or Burger King, or Clowns, fairy, so kids won't be killed.

You simply can't ban everything until you figure out it's the person not the item.

This kid hadnt taken a gun he'd have taken a bomb and killed everyone in the school...

No I completely feel the kid was to blame.. He was the worst irresponsible peace of dirt bag insane scumbag you can get. As reported they had not been going to the gun for 6 months or more. She was looking into trying to get him help either by a mental institution or what remains to be found out. I also blame the system for not putting him away a long time ago when she initially tried. That kid was a very angry kid with a explosive type attitude. I would have been scared of him to and even been afraid to fall asleep at night without the door being locked.
It was said in one report that she did not lock up the guns and nothing has been reported about to,the contrary. So it seems that he had access to them and he did know how to use them.

Well I see you didn't read my post to you.

Bing Bing Bing

we have a winner, once people get past the initial shock
and understandably the horror of this they will begin to
see the real issue isn't rights restriction, it's mental health
laws...

Hmmm, I thought we were discussing semi auto assault type rifles not grenades and 50 cal sniper rifles. Hmmmm

Well I have a black powder rifle in 54 cal that would have been used as a sniper rifle in its time, guess it to should be banned.